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re: Chicago Cubs Super Prospect Futureboner Sploosh Emporium Thread | Maddon Thread
Posted on 7/8/14 at 7:42 am to Monkeyboy
Posted on 7/8/14 at 7:42 am to Monkeyboy
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but I seriously have to question ones baseball knowledge if they think Starlin Castro plays bad defense. He's no Ozzie Smith now, but to say he is bad at defense is silly. Hell, the last time I watched the Cubs on ESPN Rick Sutcliffe and the other announcer (Boone?) were saying he was one of the top defensive SS in MLB.
Eh, I certainly don't think he's that bad defensively, but he's certainly not elite, and most likely on the wrong side of average when it comes to defense...but, i think, he easily makes up for that with his bat. As for Sut and Boone, i didn't hear it, i'm assuming sut was drunk as shite and blowing smoke about the cubs and boone was just going along with it because why the hell not. Because top defensive SS in the MLB...go home guys you're drunk.
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 7:43 am
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 8:11 am to piggidyphish
I think it was posted earlier, but Albert Almora homered in both games of the doubleheader yesterday.
Kris Bryant went 1 for 3 with a walk and 2 K's.
Javi Baez hit his 14th HR and didn't K (he's been not K-ing a lot lately).
Jorge Soler went 3 for 4 with a double and HR.***
Rob Zastryzny went 3 IP and K'd 5; only gave up one hit.
Addison Russell K'd twice and finished 0 for 4.
Dan Straily gave up 4 runs all on a Kris Bryant error. He pitched 5 IP.
A nice little opener of the Minor Leauge Daily on Bleacher Nation on Billy McKinney, the OF prospect in the Samardzija trade.
***It is imperative that Jorge Soler stay healthy thru the end of the year. All this man does is destroy baseballs. Stay on the field, get to Chicago in September (maybe, for AB's), and let's get that career going.
Kris Bryant went 1 for 3 with a walk and 2 K's.
Javi Baez hit his 14th HR and didn't K (he's been not K-ing a lot lately).
Jorge Soler went 3 for 4 with a double and HR.***
Rob Zastryzny went 3 IP and K'd 5; only gave up one hit.
Addison Russell K'd twice and finished 0 for 4.
Dan Straily gave up 4 runs all on a Kris Bryant error. He pitched 5 IP.
A nice little opener of the Minor Leauge Daily on Bleacher Nation on Billy McKinney, the OF prospect in the Samardzija trade.
***It is imperative that Jorge Soler stay healthy thru the end of the year. All this man does is destroy baseballs. Stay on the field, get to Chicago in September (maybe, for AB's), and let's get that career going.
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 8:15 am
Posted on 7/8/14 at 8:26 am to piggidyphish
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I certainly don't think he's that bad defensively, but he's certainly not elite, and most likely on the wrong side of average when it comes to defense...but, i think, he easily makes up for that with his bat.
His defense isn't elite, I agree. But really, neither was Jeter's defense. And so far this year, neither is Hanley, Asdrubal, Jean Segura, Brandon Crawford, Yunel Escobar, Ian Desmond, etc. This is if you are going by UZR or UZR/150.
Since he joined the league, he's had the most hits, & most doubles of any SS. His power is increasing, and should project to around a 20-22 HR SS. He doesn't walk a lot, and with that, his OBP will never go much higher than his BA...which you can settle with if he's hitting around .300, which he typically does (last year being the outlier).
He also has the most errors since joining the league, and his probability to commit an error compared to the league average is absolutely the worst in the league, by a lot. However, his fielding % is improving year by year, and his total errors this year project to be his lowest so far in hist short career.
The guy has flaws. But I mean, he's a 3X all star and he just turned 24. He's a good player, and is currently playing like 2X his current salary. If he is being shopped, the reward should be great, if not phenomenal.
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 8:28 am
Posted on 7/8/14 at 8:27 am to Yak
Great post. Really.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 8:28 am to The Sad Banana
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Great post. Really.
Thanks. Not sure if you noticed, but I'm a HUGE Cubs fan.Posted on 7/8/14 at 8:29 am to Yak
I was hoping this thread would bring some knowledgeable and intelligent Cubs fans out of the dross of daily Reds threads and daily Astros threads and "Barves" threads. Good job outta me.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 8:36 am to The Sad Banana
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Good job outta me.
and yet you couldn't edit, or even include a #voterizzo for the allstar game. FOR SHAME.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 8:45 am to piggidyphish
How did that turn out? Did he get in?
Posted on 7/8/14 at 8:51 am to The Sad Banana
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:04 am to piggidyphish
Cripes, how many times is this thing going to let me vote? Wouldn't one suffice?
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:35 am to Yak
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His power is increasing, and should project to around a 20-22 HR SS.
quote:Nailed it. Which is why I laugh at the guys saying he has flatlined.
However, his fielding % is improving year by year, and his total errors this year project to be his lowest so far in hist short career.
The fielding percentage drop and the smaller number of errors is pretty glaring when you look at his stats, but even small things that you won't see from a stat he is getting much better at. Perfect example: In the past Castro has been pretty bad with fielding throws from a catcher a step in front of second base requiring him to turn around to tag base stealers out. He has now gotten to the point where he is catching throws at the bag, so all he has to do is drop the tag down on runners.
His whole game has evolved, starting with his focus.
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 9:39 am
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:41 am to Yak
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He also has the most errors since joining the league,
Doesn't Castro also have an absurd amount of Total Chances since he's been in baseball when compared to other players? Seems like I heard Len Kasper mention during a game that critics knock Castro's defense because he has the most errors since being brought up to the majors, but that he also has way more Total Chances, or has been involved in way more plays, than anyone else in baseball, so the most errors thing is a bit overblown seeing as he has had way more chances to make errors than anyone else.
I'm talking specifically about total chances at the shortstop position BTW.
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 10:16 am
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:48 am to Monkeyboy
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Doesn't Castro also have an absurd amount of Total Chances since he's been in baseball when compared to other players?
nah...he's got more than some, but not an absurd difference. not to explain away the errors. Last year he had 30 more chances than jj hardy and 10 more errors.
Again i like castro, his bat makes his glove (and sometimes lackadaisical time taking in getting the ball the 1st) acceptable. But he's not a very good defender. All in all he's a very good player though.
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 9:50 am
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:52 am to piggidyphish
Jorge Soler Sploosh:
With him now reaching the 400 AB mark, here's where he's at, career-to-date:
.303/.370/.505 - 16 homers, and a 70/40 K/BB rate.
He's 22. And, he's on the 40-man and under contract so he doesn't have to deal with the Super 2 service time stuff like some of the others.
With him now reaching the 400 AB mark, here's where he's at, career-to-date:
.303/.370/.505 - 16 homers, and a 70/40 K/BB rate.
He's 22. And, he's on the 40-man and under contract so he doesn't have to deal with the Super 2 service time stuff like some of the others.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 11:09 am to The Sad Banana
Hopefully we see hendricks do well this week (assuming we can discuss him in the prospects thread at least until he makes his start). I'm more bearish on him than some, but would love to be wrong.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 11:15 am to piggidyphish
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Hopefully we see hendricks do well this week (assuming we can discuss him in the prospects thread at least until he makes his start). I'm more bearish on him than some, but would love to be wrong.
I'd love to cheer this guy on, but with an average 91 mph fastball, he better be pinpoint accurate...or ball go far. Very far.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 11:19 am to Yak
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'd love to cheer this guy on, but with an average 91 mph fastball, he better be pinpoint accurate...or ball go far. Very far.
Every once and again you see someone saying he's got middle rotation stuff. I just don't see it. now i'm also just a fat slob that loves to go to minor league ball games so i really don't know shite, but either way he looks like at best a back of the rotation guy.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 11:32 am to Yak
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However, his fielding % is improving year by year, and his total errors this year project to be his lowest so far in hist short career.
Fielding % has been giving mediocre fielders gold gloves for years. Derek Jeter has 4 GGs and most would say he could be responsible for the attention advanced defensive stats gets, because he isn't close to a GG SS.
Whether you agree with advanced stats or not, fielding % is a basic stat, like batting average. It's a good place to start for investigating how well someone hits or fields, but there are many more stats that tell the whole story.
It's like a guy with no power hitting .338 and people saying he's a better hitter than Miggy Cabrera and his .308 avg. There is more to the story. And in the case of fielding %, it doesn't tell us anything about range, arm strength, positioning, error rate etc.
Anyway, as long as Castro is hitting and not totally killing you on defense, then that's fine. But he's average to below league average on defense.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 11:37 am to Monkeyboy
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Doesn't Castro also have an absurd amount of Total Chances since he's been in baseball when compared to other players?
I dont think this is true, but even if it is, the sabermetric stats account for this.
And people using fielding percentage? lol. It means nothing.
Take 2013 for example. Jimmy Rollins played in the same amount of games as Andrelton Simmons. Rollins had 3 less errors(11 to AS's 14).
Simmons had over 125 MORE total chances. He made 50 MORE putouts. Had 70 MORE assists. He turned 5 more double plays. Again they played in the same amount of games...
but but but but but Rollins had a better FLD%!!!!! Simmons had the 4th highest FLD% in the national league, yet anyone that has watched baseball will tell you he is the best defensive SS in the last 10 years, and that he may have had one of THE BEST defensive seasons ever recorded last year.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 11:41 am to PurpleAndGold86
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But that's not what the defensive WAR stats tell you!!11! Castro is TERRIBLE because that's what the number says. All the little things that he has improved in his game since last year be damned, the defensive WAR stat tells me he sucks!That's what the really knowledgeable guys in here will tell you.
could you get any more butt hurt?
FLD% tells us Yunel Escobar was the best defensive SS last year, and Placido Polanco was the best defensive 3B.
sabermetics tell us it was Andrelton Simmons and Manny Machado.
Which one are you putting stock in?
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