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re: CFB teams that could actually win championship?
Posted on 7/1/15 at 11:23 pm to ReauxlTide222
Posted on 7/1/15 at 11:23 pm to ReauxlTide222
there is some truth to me rooting against the SEC. I mean, its all i hear about on the radio waves and its pretty much what everybody talks about around home when it comes to sports.
so if it seems like i'm taking shots, that isn't always the case.
coming into this year it looks like it could be a wide open year in CFB and that's perfect since they added the Final Four playoff last year right?
I like it really. It helped me get back into the college game a little more last year. Nothing like it used to but still... better than it had been the last few years to me.
so if it seems like i'm taking shots, that isn't always the case.
coming into this year it looks like it could be a wide open year in CFB and that's perfect since they added the Final Four playoff last year right?
I like it really. It helped me get back into the college game a little more last year. Nothing like it used to but still... better than it had been the last few years to me.
This post was edited on 7/1/15 at 11:25 pm
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Posted on 7/1/15 at 11:43 pm to LooseCannon22282
I kinda do the same thing. Alabama and some of the other SEC teams have spoiled me. If someone is talking about Clemson, or Michigan State, or Arizona State I'm like, PSH. Those teams suck arse ha. In reality they don't suck. It's just that a "good" year for Alabama is like, 11-1 
I'd say I'm unfairly harsh on teams because of what I've grown accustomed to since Saban got to Alabama.
It's why last year's bowl season threw me for a loop. I've curbed my expectations this year, and can't wait till the season starts
I'd say I'm unfairly harsh on teams because of what I've grown accustomed to since Saban got to Alabama. It's why last year's bowl season threw me for a loop. I've curbed my expectations this year, and can't wait till the season starts
Posted on 7/1/15 at 11:59 pm to ReauxlTide222
Aubbie 10/1...not bad
Posted on 7/2/15 at 12:03 am to ReauxlTide222
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Last year definitely have me pause. And going into this year, I don't have very high expectations for many SEC teams. Last year's bowl season surprised the shite out of me, it really did.
At the time I thought there were some signs throughout the season, and the bowl games kind of confirmed it for me. The SEC West really didn't look like world beaters out of conference. Auburn at K State was a good win, but K State was a solid but unremarkable team last year. And that game was very close. Same with LSU/Wisconsin. You guys struggled more than you should have with WVU. Ole Miss beating Boise was a good win, too, but only because that Boise team improved immensely over the course of the season. There were no superstar match ups out of the conference for the West that really gave a good gauge as to where teams stood, and the collective results kind of had me raising an eyebrow.
I think the SEC will still consistently be the best conference, but I think the gap has closed. 2006 or so to 2012 or so was a remarkable period for a single conference in the sport, and I don't see that happening again soon. Other programs adapted, and even the SEC has changed a bit. The PAC 12 was very, very good last year...quite close to the SEC top to bottom in my opinion. We played three teams from that conference - all good but no dominant teams - and they were motherfrickers to play. Two of them smashed our arses, yet we were able to go toe to toe with FSU and LSU. If anyone unseats the SEC with any consistency, it will be those guys.
I think some of the rule changes the SEC initiated took a bit of an effect, but I think, more importantly, the conference doesn't have anywhere close to the coaching talent it once did during that period, especially in the coordinator ranks.
It's just like in business - no one stays on top forever. Other organizations adapt (witness the Big Ten now having three of the best coaches in the sport), and the balance of power changes. The SEC has the most natural advantages, and I believe they will continue to be best conference, at least over a long period of time, with years and periods interspersed where other conferences probably have an edge. That 2006 - 2012 run was remarkable in college football...virtually unprecedented.
This post was edited on 7/2/15 at 12:12 am
Posted on 7/2/15 at 12:18 am to AbuTheMonkey
I might be way off, but I feel like CFB is down as a whole in terms of the amount of elite teams each season. Although, I think the Pac might be improving enough to make my statement wrong in the near future.
I saw the signs as well. I knew Alabama wasn't as good as it had been in the past. Hell, 2013 was probably better than 2014 even though 2014 accomplished more. And in saying that, I knew Ole Miss and Miss St were being way overvalued after watching them against Alabama. I think a lot of the hate was because of them being ranked so high. Miss State didn't play ANYBODY.
Last year was weird.
I saw the signs as well. I knew Alabama wasn't as good as it had been in the past. Hell, 2013 was probably better than 2014 even though 2014 accomplished more. And in saying that, I knew Ole Miss and Miss St were being way overvalued after watching them against Alabama. I think a lot of the hate was because of them being ranked so high. Miss State didn't play ANYBODY.
Last year was weird.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 12:30 am to ReauxlTide222
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Miss State didn't play ANYBODY.
them coming to Mobile to play South was pretty bizarre. They probably did it for recruiting reasons but if that was the case, they wasted their time.
that was the only time i saw MSU play all year from start to finish and wasn't impressed.
South Alabama's WR's dropped passes all afternoon.. but.. Miss State's DB's dropped some interceptions too.
that heat must have done it.
hot as mother fricker that day.
This post was edited on 7/2/15 at 12:31 am
Posted on 7/2/15 at 1:18 am to ReauxlTide222
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And in saying that, I knew Ole Miss and Miss St were being way overvalued after watching them against Alabama. I think a lot of the hate was because of them being ranked so high. Miss State didn't play ANYBODY.
The Mississippi teams bugged me all year, too. It was a good, tough division, but it wasn't head and shoulders better than the rest of the sport like many thought. The PAC 12 South was nearly its equal for most of the year outside of a terrible Colorado team.
I'll also say this about the PAC 12 - it was a difficult conference last year even while the two premier historical programs (USC and UW) had decent but not great teams. If those two get their thing going soon, watch out.
I'm not sure what to think of the SEC last year. I think the East was a little better than most were giving it credit, and I think the West was a little overrated. Georgia, in particular, was a weird team - they stomped some good teams (Clemson, Missouri, Louisville, Auburn, Arkansas) but also managed to get blasted by a bad Florida team and lose to a middling-ish South Carolina team. The GT loss was understandable - GT was playing absolutely lights out in the latter half of the season last year. I'm actually almost convinced a healthy and consistent UGA would have been the SEC's best shot at a title last year. You're right - it was a weird year, especially in the SEC.
As much as I despise the conference and hate most of their fans, I also think the Big Ten is poised for a bit of a rebound. Those schools have too much pride, too many resources, too large of fanbases, and too strong of a desire to win to stay as bad as they have been recently for long. They don't have the natural recruiting bases, but they'll figure out ways to get around that (like Dantonio and Meyer have) and compete. I think Penn State is probably in the middle of a long stretch of down years, and I don't see Franklin changing that much, but the rest of them want it bad enough to go and get it.
This post was edited on 7/2/15 at 1:20 am
Posted on 7/2/15 at 1:30 am to gobuxgo5
Oregon is a weird team this year.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 1:31 am to AbuTheMonkey
Georgia, aw man those guys. How do you lose to Florida like that? Adding to the weirdness was that GT loss. None of my ACC friends wann hear it but I swear Georgia looked like the far and away better team in that game. They fumbled at GT's 1 yard line twice I believe. And ahhhhh that squib kick at the end of the game 
Felt like the SEC did some great things but in the end they had some bizzare/amateur hour type games that left a bad feeling in everyone's mouth. Seemed like there was no leadership on otherwise talented teams.
ETA: I know we aren't being too nice to the Mississippi schools, but there wasn't anywhere to put them but at the top. Miss St. started 9-0 with wins over LSU, Auburn, aTm, and others. After week 11 they were 10-1 and the loss was at Alabama. I mean, putting them anywhere outside of the top 5 would have been fricked. Ole Miss started 7-0 I believe with a win over Alabama. At least it was fun while it lasted
Felt like the SEC did some great things but in the end they had some bizzare/amateur hour type games that left a bad feeling in everyone's mouth. Seemed like there was no leadership on otherwise talented teams. ETA: I know we aren't being too nice to the Mississippi schools, but there wasn't anywhere to put them but at the top. Miss St. started 9-0 with wins over LSU, Auburn, aTm, and others. After week 11 they were 10-1 and the loss was at Alabama. I mean, putting them anywhere outside of the top 5 would have been fricked. Ole Miss started 7-0 I believe with a win over Alabama. At least it was fun while it lasted
This post was edited on 7/2/15 at 1:47 am
Posted on 7/2/15 at 1:34 am to bisonduck
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Oregon is a shite sandwich this year.
Kidding
What do y'all bring back? I'm really excited for this season. Lotsa change around the country.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 1:42 am to ReauxlTide222
We bring back a lot and gain a lot. It's just a weird team. Vernon Adams and Matt Hegarty are knowns but unknowns. Linebackers are experienced but it might be lipstick on a pig. DL is deep. Skill players are loaded. OL is deep.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 1:49 am to bisonduck
Y'all were super banged up on the line weren't you? Man I love me some Royce Freeman.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 1:51 am to LooseCannon22282
Forgot they went to play y'all. Didn't mean to call y'all a nobody
Posted on 7/2/15 at 1:52 am to ReauxlTide222
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Georgia, aw man those guys. How do you lose to Florida like that? Adding to the weirdness was that GT loss. None of my ACC friends wann hear it but I swear Georgia looked like the far and away better team in that game. They fumbled at GT's 1 yard line twice I believe. And ahhhhh that squib kick at the end of the game Felt like the SEC did some great things but in the end they had some bizzare/amateur hour type games that left a bad feeling in everyone's mouth. Seemed like there was no leadership on otherwise talented teams
I'll say this about GT - good option teams tend to do that. When we play Navy every year, it seems like we dominate them and somehow they're still hanging around at the end of the third quarter with the outcome still very much in doubt. Navy did the same to OSU two years ago and a good South Carolina team a few years ago as well. Those kinds of offenses just throw your whole game off if they're clicking. If they're not clicking, they get blown out badly. We play GT this year, and I am not particularly looking forward to that game.
On the leadership thing, I think that's a direct result of having no "take the team on my shoulders and win games" type of quarterbacks outside of Dak Prescott in the conference. QB play in general was kind of crap all over the SEC last year.
On the same note, I think that's why my own team had more than its fair share of bizarre/amateur hour type of stuff last year. Golson is a very talented guy, but he is one flaky MFer, and he has some real confidence issues. He made a throw that maybe only two or three other college QB's can make to win the Stanford game (and actually made a throw in the Rice game of all places that I'm not sure any other college QB could have made), played nearly flawless against FSU, then lost the ASU game basically by himself on turnovers, then came out with his head in the clouds against USC that resulted in a historical beatdown. shite, when we played UNC, he single-handedly dug us into a big hole and then turned around and basically won the game by himself all in the same game.
Good QB's who are good leaders drive that sort of consistency across a team. That seemed to be lacking across college football last year outside of a few teams.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 1:58 am to ReauxlTide222
Banged up line last year equals 7 guys with starts with 80+ combines starts this year. DL gets the biggest boost in depth. It's going to be how fast it all gels. Vernon Adams at qb and Matt Hegarty at center are 5th year transfers. Johnstone at LT is coming off injury but insiders saying he is up tp 310 and retained agility. Corner was my biggest concern but Chuck Nelson flipped and he looked awesome but again...it has to gel.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 2:00 am to AbuTheMonkey
quote:2011 Alabama is the best defense I think I've ever seen. Georgia Southern put 21 points and like 600 yards on them
I'll say this about GT - good option teams tend to do that.
How do you feel about Golson being at FSU now? I was at the ND FSU game last year, wow. I'm hoping Jimbo doesn't work his magic with him. Golson's bad is really, really bad. 10 turnovers in the 4 games leading to that game. But his good is elite.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 2:03 am to bisonduck
Sounds like Alabama. If they go 12-0 in the regular season ill nob my head and think yep, knew they'd be that good! But 3 losses wouldn't shock me that much.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 2:06 am to ReauxlTide222
No, its cool.
We are!!!!!!!
that's what was so funny about it. They came to lowly Ladd Stadium in effort to help put themselves more on the radar to our local recruits.
any other explanation is total crap.
all of the blue chips go to Alabama, Auburn, or LSU.
we'll take the few scraps locally and compete in the Sun Belt.
End of story.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 2:16 am to ReauxlTide222
Besides OSU, it's a real crap shoot kind of year. Michigan State has holes at RB, Wr, and Cb. So, I think OSU primed to repeat. Their soon to be Junior class is sick.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 8:18 am to gobuxgo5
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I didn't realize Michigan state was bringing eveyone back that's scary
Phil Steele lists Michigan State as having 13 starters back, which is T-6th in the B1G. They have some key pieces returning (i.e. Cook, Burbridge, J. Allen, D. Clark, K. Kieler, S. Calhoun, D. Harris, D. Hicks, R. Williamson), but certainly shy of "everyone."
No doubt, though, they will be very good. 11+ wins in four of the last five seasons does not happen by accident. Mark Dantonio has put together a very strong program and has even elevated recruiting further. That's what stability at the helm does!
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