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re: Can someone explain Louisiana HS classifications to me? What's this I-V?
Posted on 3/5/22 at 10:02 pm to chalmetteowl
Posted on 3/5/22 at 10:02 pm to chalmetteowl
So you checking for split threads every 3 minutes
That was my point
That was my point
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Posted on 3/5/22 at 10:03 pm to Hurricane Mike
One just happened to pop up
Posted on 3/5/22 at 10:16 pm to chalmetteowl
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How is that inaccurate? As long as it’s one school one vote (which is very unfair to districts that have consolidated), publics have a majority to make rules to their little hearts’ content. I think the count is way over the 66% they need to change the LHSAA constitution
So you don't think that one school one vote is fair? So do you think if you are a private that one vote counts as 2? or do you want 3? You tell me what you think is fair?
Posted on 3/5/22 at 10:21 pm to chalmetteowl
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How is that inaccurate?
Back to the main subject of my post. The poster I responded to said that Private schools was playing by public school rules and that is complete bullshite. You know it, I know it and everyone knows it.
This post was edited on 3/6/22 at 3:17 am
Posted on 3/5/22 at 11:12 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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So you don't think that one school one vote is fair?
It’s not fair because we’re not all the same size and serve different amounts of people
Posted on 3/5/22 at 11:24 pm to SocraticTiger
Well, pretty much the public schools want the private school parents to pay for the public school athletic programs in addition to paying for their own, but don't want to have to compete against them for championships.
Posted on 3/6/22 at 1:48 am to SocraticTiger
I've never understood the "they don't have any boundaries" argument against the private schools.
The private schools charge tuition -- in several cases it's more than $10K per year -- and that factor alone restricts their potential enrollment.
A public school may have 2,000 students, as Dutchtown, West Monroe, Barbe and a couple of others do, but are there 2,000 families in, say, Ascension Parish or Ouachita Parish who can afford and are willing to send their kids to a $10,000 high school?
The answer is clearly no.
Evangel and John Curtis both have, I think, enrollments in the 300s.
Yeah, the public school coaches argue, but the Catholic schools give scholarships. This is a myth. Most of the Catholic schools operate on a need-based system. You turn over your financial records, and they decide how much your tuition is going to be.
Look at it another way: At a public school, ALL of the players are "on scholarship."
If a coach is complaining about a private school "recruiting" a star player away, maybe the coach needs to ask himself why the family picked the private school athletic program over his.
I'm not trying to start a civil war over this. I'm just saying why I think the public-select split in Louisiana is foolish.
The private schools charge tuition -- in several cases it's more than $10K per year -- and that factor alone restricts their potential enrollment.
A public school may have 2,000 students, as Dutchtown, West Monroe, Barbe and a couple of others do, but are there 2,000 families in, say, Ascension Parish or Ouachita Parish who can afford and are willing to send their kids to a $10,000 high school?
The answer is clearly no.
Evangel and John Curtis both have, I think, enrollments in the 300s.
Yeah, the public school coaches argue, but the Catholic schools give scholarships. This is a myth. Most of the Catholic schools operate on a need-based system. You turn over your financial records, and they decide how much your tuition is going to be.
Look at it another way: At a public school, ALL of the players are "on scholarship."
If a coach is complaining about a private school "recruiting" a star player away, maybe the coach needs to ask himself why the family picked the private school athletic program over his.
I'm not trying to start a civil war over this. I'm just saying why I think the public-select split in Louisiana is foolish.
Posted on 3/6/22 at 3:25 am to PurpleExile
This all started because of a small number of schools. There is a easy fix. The private schools open their books and show where tuition money is coming from. Simple as that.
Posted on 3/6/22 at 7:39 am to SocraticTiger
It is proof that no one in the LHSAA has a lick of sense. Should abolish it and let Texas run our high school athletics.
Posted on 3/6/22 at 9:14 am to Ponchy Tiger
Ok, and public schools with any students from outside their zone are moved to select.
Deal?
You’d be surprised how few non-selects there would be.
Deal?
You’d be surprised how few non-selects there would be.
Posted on 3/6/22 at 10:10 am to SocraticTiger
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This all started because of a small number of schools. There is a easy fix. The private schools open their books and show where tuition money is coming from. Simple as that.
I'd be in favor of that, and I'll bet the private school administrators would be okay with some sort of "who's paying what" report, too.
But there would probably be privacy concerns for some of the families. Some might not want everyone in town
knowing they are officially considered dirt-poor.
It's the same as in applying for financial aid in college. An applicant has to turn over things like W-2s, tax returns and financial statements. The school then decides what the student's family can afford.
I've talked to private high school administrators, and they all say this is more or less what they do, too.
But it's probably not as generous as you think. I doubt there are that many kids who are getting $10K, full-ride-type scholarships in Louisiana high schools. They aren't giving that education away -- well, most aren't.
I went to a New Orleans Catholic high school years and years ago only by the good graces of an endowed scholarship program that benefitted thousands of kids over the years.
I was not a varsity athlete. I checked no boxes as far as minorities, legacy alum or anything like that.
But I did have to take an entrance exam just to get in.
As far as I know, most private schools still do that.
What's the point of admitting a kid who can't keep up in the classroom?
Posted on 3/6/22 at 11:26 am to PurpleExile
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But there would probably be privacy concerns for some of the families. Some might not want everyone in town knowing they are officially considered dirt-poor.
Wouldn’t all personal information be redacted?
Posted on 3/6/22 at 9:57 pm to PurpleExile
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I've never understood the "they don't have any boundaries" argument against the private schools.
Because it makes no sense. Private schools have attendance zones just like public schools do and if you don't reside in the zone you sit for a year before you're eligible.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:09 pm to 62zip
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Because it makes no sense. Private schools have attendance zones just like public schools do and if you don't reside in the zone you sit for a year before you're eligible.
That was the way we understood it, oh so long ago, when I was in h.s. Our small, Catholic school in New Orleans used the church parish boundaries as our attendance zone. If a guy lived in the parish, he was eligible to play in his first year at school.
J.C. was in our district, and we always heard persistent rumours of guys from every part of the city suddenly having residences in River Ridge.
Having 8th grade helped with this issue as well, then, and I am certain that many of the privates do the same, now. For the Catholic schools in the Archdiocese of New Orleans, 8th grade is now at the high schools, so the point is moot anyway.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:15 pm to 62zip
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Private schools have attendance zones just like public schools do and if you don't reside in the zone you sit for a year before you're eligible.
This is not 100% accurate, for example any kid going to a Catholic school is considered to be a feeder school for the Catholic High Schools, so they do not have to sit out. Just clarifying that part.
Also, all public schools do not play by the same rules. For example Rapides parish is open enrollment, so there are no zones. Kids are eligible at the first HS they attend. (assuming they did not play Varsity as a 7th or 8th grader somewhere)
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:16 pm to SocraticTiger
This has been a typical discussion, but I didn't see anyone answer your question directly.
In 2013, the LHSAA (principals' organization) voted to separate the state football playoffs between select schools and non-select schools. As has been posted in this thread, the select schools are those schools with a selective admissions policy, which can refuse students; your typical private schools.
The non-select schools are those that must take everyone in their district; your traditional public schools.
This only involves the playoffs, they still play each other in regular season and district play.
The old classifications: A-AAAAA are the playoff classes for the non-select/public schools.
The new "divisions" denoted by I-IV are the playoff classes of the select/private schools.
A year or so later the LHSAA decided to split playoffs for boys and girls basketball, baseball and softball. What this created are 9 championships in football and even more for basketball.
In 2013, the LHSAA (principals' organization) voted to separate the state football playoffs between select schools and non-select schools. As has been posted in this thread, the select schools are those schools with a selective admissions policy, which can refuse students; your typical private schools.
The non-select schools are those that must take everyone in their district; your traditional public schools.
This only involves the playoffs, they still play each other in regular season and district play.
The old classifications: A-AAAAA are the playoff classes for the non-select/public schools.
The new "divisions" denoted by I-IV are the playoff classes of the select/private schools.
A year or so later the LHSAA decided to split playoffs for boys and girls basketball, baseball and softball. What this created are 9 championships in football and even more for basketball.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 3:18 pm to SocraticTiger
Private schools aren’t really running from competition… the split occurred because public schools at the lower levels were tired of getting whipped by John Curtis and Evangel. Now anytime there’s a reunification proposal the privates vote for it and the publics vote against it because they are comfortable with the current arrangement. Just check the latest proposal. I think the private schools would rather get rid of the split.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 3:23 pm to red sox fan 13
Evangel and JC had been a hot potato for years.
The lower classes got tired of it because the big boys in 4A and 5A got tired of having the shite knocked out of them and figured playing in their enrollment class would kill those two schools.
Didn’t do a damn thing to JC. Evangel is flailing but that was more of a schism that brought a lot of their coaches and influential families to Calvary Baptist instead IIRC.
The lower classes got tired of it because the big boys in 4A and 5A got tired of having the shite knocked out of them and figured playing in their enrollment class would kill those two schools.
Didn’t do a damn thing to JC. Evangel is flailing but that was more of a schism that brought a lot of their coaches and influential families to Calvary Baptist instead IIRC.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 4:28 pm to RedPop4
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As has been posted in this thread, the select schools are those schools with a selective admissions policy, which can refuse students; your typical private schools.
That is actually not 100% accurate. The LHSAA defines a select school as having an established academic criteria need for admission.
So schools like Baton Rough High, Byrd, Scotlandville, etc. are select because those students have to test into the magnet program.
However, every HS in EBR now has a "magnet" program that can accept any kid from anywhere in the parish - except there is not a test required - which renders them "non-select."
So, as it stands now, both Belaire and Scotlandville can take any kid that lives in EBR Parish but Scotlandville is select because they require a test to get in. (But even that isn't really true because some of the magnet programs at "non-select" schools around the state have some level of academic prequalifications.
) It's the same for every major metro area of the state. There is basically open enrollment in Caddo, Lafayette, East Baton Rouge, Rapdies and Orleans Parishes.
So the whole stated reason for the split doesn't really exist anymoe with the majority of LHSAA schools.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 5:24 pm to SocraticTiger
It blows my mind that 32 teams make the playoffs in the big classes and seeding is determined by some power poll. I’m a homer, but the Texas format is so much better where neighboring districts play in round 1, and you play until there’s a region champ before going to the state semis and final.
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