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Calgary Flames pull out of deal with city for new arena
Posted on 12/23/21 at 12:10 am
Posted on 12/23/21 at 12:10 am
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Welp, time to pack it up and move to Atlanta.
Seriously, if they were to move, where could you see/want to see them move to? I would love to see Quebec City get a team again, and what's up with Houston? The fourth largest city in America and they don't even have an AHL team.
Welp, time to pack it up and move to Atlanta.
Seriously, if they were to move, where could you see/want to see them move to? I would love to see Quebec City get a team again, and what's up with Houston? The fourth largest city in America and they don't even have an AHL team.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 2:02 am to Degas
Houston doesn’t have the uh…right demographic to support an NHL team, but they’ve got the cash. Stars following is even pretty weak. Thrashers bombed miserably in Atlanta. OKC has minimal interest in hockey (they’ve had a few minor league teams that fizzled out).
Dark horse candidate is probably another Florida team (Orlando, Jacksonville).
Dark horse candidate is probably another Florida team (Orlando, Jacksonville).
Posted on 12/23/21 at 2:14 am to Boring
Quebec Ciry
Pressure to stay in Canada
Pressure to stay in Canada
Posted on 12/23/21 at 3:25 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
How does the NHL let Calgary potentially have no hockey team.
Eta: Ahhh never mind. Canada gonna Canada from now on. Psycho new mayor renegged on the original deal and added millions in "climate mitigation" costs that weren't originally agreed upon. It was basically the last straw for the Flames.
The real story:
Eta: Ahhh never mind. Canada gonna Canada from now on. Psycho new mayor renegged on the original deal and added millions in "climate mitigation" costs that weren't originally agreed upon. It was basically the last straw for the Flames.
The real story:
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Jyoti Gondek cancels new Flames arena deal over climate activism
After a mere two months in office, Calgary mayor Jyoti Gondek managed to fumble a deal signed over a year ago and in the works for two by angering the Calgary Flames with her radical environmentalist agenda. So now, Calgarians won't be getting their long-awaited arena.
Calgarians have waited with frustrated patience for nearly a decade to see the Calgary Saddledome replaced with a modern arena to enjoy hockey games, concerts, and other events.
Unfortunately, out-of-control spending from the City, led by Gondek, has made owners of the Calgary Flames walk away from their previous multimillion-dollar investment to see the new Calgary Event Centre built just one month after development permits were granted.
According to the Calgary Sports and Entertainment Corporation (CSEC), spending has gotten so out of hand that there is now "no viable path to complete the Event Centre Project."
"However, at this point, it is clear that the City and CSEC have been unable to resolve a number of issues relating to the escalating costs of the Project."
For all of the faults of former mayor Naheed Nenshi's — and there were many — he was able to secure the deal in July 2019 on behalf of Calgarians. Gondek has ruined it in two months.
As the CSEC explains, the organization initially agreed to fund 50 per cent of the project, with the City coughing up the other half of the cost.
However, over the course of the year — and with Gondek tipping the scales at the end — the City progressively hoisted more of the costs onto the back of the CSEC.
"In July 2021, with these costs increasing to $608.5 million, the City informed CSEC they were not able to fund their 50 per cent share which, under the terms of the Project Framework Agreement, would have resulted in termination at that time," the CSEC explains.
"Instead, CSEC agreed to fund a disproportionate share ($321 million to City's $287.5 million) and agreed to accept the risk of reasonable future design and construction cost increases related to the Event Centre in spite of our original 50%/50% agreement."
Indeed, despite the developing one-sided relationship, the CSEC was still willing to play ball for the sake of Calgarians. That was until Jyoti Gondek added $19 million for her personal climate infrastructure, for which the CSEC would be getting a bill for an additional $10 million.
For her part, Gondek has tried to justify the initial increases and stressed that her climate mitigation infrastructure, specifically climate-friendly roadways and solar panels, were essential, and she can't imagine why the Calgary Flames wouldn't want to fund them to the tune of $10 million.
"The City came to the table to assist with $6.4m in roadways leaving $9.7m for the Flames. Based on this gap, CSEC informed me they are walking away from our deal," Gondek wrote on Twitter.
"On a project worth over $650m, to have one party walk away for 1.5% of the value of the deal is staggering."
However, she shouldn't be shocked. Nowhere in the original agreement were obligations to become the personal purse of some radical climate activist who most Calgarians hoped never would see a day in the mayor's office.
"While CSEC was prepared to move forward in the face of escalating construction costs and assume the unknown future cost risks," the CSEC continues, "CSEC was not prepared to fund the infrastructure and climate costs that were introduced by the City following our July agreement and were not included in the $608.5 million and are not included in the current cost estimate of $634 million."
The CSEC concludes their statement by telling Calgarians they are "deeply disappointed with the outcome."
In a desperate attempt to salvage the deal after public outrage, Gondek now says she is going to beg provincial and federal for $3.8 million in climate mitigation and is disputing the amount that the CSEC claims the City is paying.
This post was edited on 12/23/21 at 3:41 am
Posted on 12/23/21 at 3:48 am to Jack Ruby
Is there any way they can move to a suburb? They have the second best logo and uniforms behind Montreal. I'd hate to see them leave Calgary.
If they do leave it should be for the US so they can get away from that moron Trudeau. Milwaukee would be a good place for an NHL team.
If they do leave it should be for the US so they can get away from that moron Trudeau. Milwaukee would be a good place for an NHL team.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 4:53 am to Degas
Come back home to Atlanta.
Won't happen as long as Betteman is commish. I can dream, though.
Won't happen as long as Betteman is commish. I can dream, though.
This post was edited on 12/23/21 at 5:18 am
Posted on 12/23/21 at 4:55 am to Boring
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Thrashers bombed miserably in Atlanta
Due to shitty ownership and a shitty FO. Attendance was never an issue. An NHL team can thrive here given that it's run right. The demographics are right.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 5:20 am to SteelerBravesDawg
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Due to shitty ownership and a shitty FO.
That would’ve been an improvement over the Atlanta Shithead Group.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 6:57 am to Boring
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Houston doesn’t have the uh…right demographic to support an NHL team,
Back in the day when the demographics were more, ahem, Canadian, even having the Howe dynasty playing in the Arena on Southwest Freeway wasn't enough to fill the stadium.
Back then the traffic was miserable and after hour long commutes to and from work, going somewhere at night when you wouldn't get home to midnight and then get up five hours later to leave for work, there wasn't enough caffeine to sustain that model.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 6:58 am to Bestbank Tiger
What about Saskatoon?
Posted on 12/23/21 at 7:04 am to SteelerBravesDawg
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Come back home to Atlanta.
It would be crazy if Atlanta’s first NHL franchise moved back to Atlanta.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 7:05 am to Bestbank Tiger
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Is there any way they can move to a suburb? They have the second best logo and uniforms behind Montreal. I'd hate to see them leave Calgary.
Yeah, I hope they stay in Calgary.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 7:09 am to CobraCommander83
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It would be crazy if Atlanta’s first NHL franchise moved back to Atlanta.
Full circle. I would be all for it.
Just keep Arthur Blank away from it .
Posted on 12/23/21 at 7:16 am to SteelerBravesDawg
I think regardless of ownership, Atlanta would have to show the support. Kinda follow the Seattle model. One thing Seattle did was sellout season tickets to help show the support before getting awarded a team.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 7:19 am to Jack Ruby
The Flames moving out of Calgary would be like the equivalent of the Eagles moving out of Philadelphia. It’s not happening.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 7:25 am to CobraCommander83
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think regardless of ownership, Atlanta would have to show the support
Fan support was never an issue w/the Thrashers.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 7:57 am to Degas
I believe the owners already came out and said they’re just going to stay in the old arena. Calgary should not lose the Flames
Posted on 12/23/21 at 7:57 am to Degas
Flames aren't going anywhere - this sorta thing happened in Edmonton and they're sitting pretty in Rogers Place.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 7:58 am to Degas
I think Houston is the 3rd largest now. And if you put the team north of the airport, it would do very well. Say around i-45 and the grand parkway.
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