re: Butch Jones calls player who helped a rape victim "a traitor" in front of team

[quote] [Proof positive that rape culture doesn't exist/quote]

If you are being sarcastic here, you are an idiot. An idiot who doesn't have the ability to think for himself, which is even worse than being a mere idiot.

Seriously, if "rape culture" is an actual thing, then please pretty please explain it to me. And find some actual, legitimate data in support thereof.

Rape culture is not an actual thing.

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I try to avoid white knighting or pedestalizing, so yeah, I guess so.

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We got a live one boys!

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Tigerdroppings: Where Mysogony Happens

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Misogyny, huh? Is that what it's called now? Where I come from, we call what I'm talking about "due process rights".

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We got a live one boys!

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Damn right

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Every accusation is met with a certain amount of disdain for the accuser. I can't get over that.

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Perhaps some low-intelligence posters. Most people have disdain for the idiots who think the justice system should be suspended when the crime starts with an R. And willingly try to stifle somebody's chance of getting a fair shake at defending themselves by setting it up such that defending somebody is called bigotry and perpetuation of rape culture.


This guy is a clown, so don't think I'm supporting him. I just don't understand the concept of rape culture? How do we have a rape culture more than a robbery culture? Is rape less frowned upon? Less investigated? Nobody tells you to take precautions against increasing your chances of being robbed?

Yet, for some reason across the board more mild versions of those things constitutes a rape culture. Yet no other crime culture is talked about?

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Perhaps some low-intelligence posters.

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To be fair, that encompasses most on this board.

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I just don't understand the concept of rape culture?

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I don't buy into that nearly as much as others, but my concern is that false rape accusations are skewed by some high-profile cases that were indeed false. Anecdotal evidence is useless when evaluating individual cases, but people will bring up Duke LAX and the UVA case ad nauseam as if they represent the majority of rape accusations. For the skeptics, one false accusation is reason enough to be critical of 100 accusations.

SystemsGo is off the deep end in this thread, but there are many like him who share that same opinion.

I despise the fact that false accusations occur because they cast doubt on real victims. That doubt and fear that no one will believe you causes other victims to stay in the shadows instead of coming forward with actual rape claims. The people that jump to a conclusion one way or the other are a problem, but the idea that the validity of a claim can basically be represented by a coin flip is ridiculous.

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20% of text excluded the primary suspect, so you attribute that to false allegations?

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You aren't very bright are you? Of course I attribute it to false allegations. And why? Because I know what the words "false" and "allegation" mean. You apparently do not. How do you think the guy became the primary suspect, assfact?


Moreover, you apparently don't quite understand this study, or you don't appreciate it that the mere "primary suspect" had been sitting prison for 20 years. You know, de minimus stuff.

Here read the paper. Maybe it will help you be less stupid going forward. file:///Volumes/NO%20NAME/dnaevid.pdf

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know this may be news to you, but not every victim knows who raped them.

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You don't know what the word victim means. A girl that didn't get raped ain't a victim, stud.

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now this may be news to you, but not every victim knows who raped themThe fact that DNA excludes the primary suspect =/= "every other time a bitch claims she got raped, she's just outright lying."

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Is this your actual argument? Like this was the best you could come up with? Like, really? The old "it must have been the one-armed man who raped me instead" argument was the best option you had?

Yeah, brilliant, buddy. And when I say brilliant, I mean, not a good argument at all. The vast vast majority of actual rapes that occur and that aren't fabricated in imaginations are people that the actual does know. That may be news to you because, as we've established, you aren't particularly bright. Or at least not particularly well informed. Or both.

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Even if we concede all of your made-up, pulled out of your arse numbers

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It doesn't appear that you what "pulled out of your arse" means.

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you're still acknowledging the fact that 60-75% (likely much more) of cases are NOT made up. They're legitimate claims that may or may not be proven in court. At worst, the majority of claims by these "bitches" are legitimate, yet you still have the attitude you do

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The worst part about this, is that you actually believe it's a good argument. Do you know whwt the numbers are for false reports of EVERY OTHER CRIME KNOWN TO MAN? Yeah, it's negligible, homeboy. Just imagine if robberies and attempted murders and larcenies were fabricated for reporting purposes at a similar rate. How much of a problem would that be?

Oh, what's that? A major major focking problem, you say? Well, yes, and I agree with your sentiments. The fact that any individual with the ability to formulate thoughts would brush aside the massive frequency of full-blown fabrications on the sexual assault front is completely puzzling to me, and just alarmingly stupid and naive on every conceivable level.

Do rapes happen? Sure.
To prevent rapes from happening, is the appropriate course of action to do everything short of expressly outright encouraging the incarceration of innocent men -- or in the Title IX cases, where it often amounts to full blown encouragement -- or getting them expelled from college? Is due process and the presumption of innocent a mere unavoidable ancillary effect in the much more lofty goal of ending sexual assaults?

I can't stress enough how aggressively dangerous your above-quoted paragraph is. It diarrhea shits in the face of the american criminal justice system. Oliver Wendell Holmes just rolled over in his grade and flipped you the bird.

"tis better that 10 guilty men go free than for one innocent man to be convicted......unless we're talking about sexual assualt, in which case frick that noise...20 years in jail isn't near the societal wrong that a sexual assault is."

And the scary part is that you actually believe it. You are a very stupid man, and a very bad American.

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You aren't very bright are you?

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Intelligence attacks are usually a sign of a low IQ. When you can't win on merit, you attack character. You're losing and should probably just move along.

Plus. I love all of the name calling.
It makes you look even more childish and less credible.

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assfact, stud, buddy, homeboy

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Haha. Who even talks like this? It's so funny that you think this adds emphasis to your points. Why not throw in bro, dude, and playa references to complete your argument?
At this point, it can't get much worse for you. Why not go all in?

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In August 2008, a stranger broke into the apartment of an 18-year-old Lynnwood woman, gagged her, bound her hands with a shoelace and raped her.

When the woman reported the attack to Lynnwood police, she says detectives Jerry Rittgarn and Sgt. Jeff Mason didn’t believe her. Claiming police coerced her into recanting her story, the woman was charged with false reporting and fined $500 when she later tried to insist the rape did happen.

It wasn’t until 2½ years later, when former Washington state resident Marc O’Leary was arrested for several rapes in Colorado, that Lynnwood police reopened their investigation. Among the items Colorado detectives found in O’Leary’s possession were photographs of the woman and her ID card.

O’Leary was convicted of three rapes in Colorado and two in Washington, including the Lynnwood attack and the rape of a 63-year-old Kirkland woman, and is serving a 327-year sentence in a Colorado prison.

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Sara Reedy remembers clearly the start of her ordeal, and how surprisingly painful it was to have a gun jammed to her temple. Then her attacker demanded oral sex, saying he would shoot her if she refused. She was shaking, gagging.

"I had images of my family finding me dead," she told the Observer. "I closed my eyes and just tried to get it over with."

Reedy was 19 when the man entered the petrol station near Pittsburgh where she was working to pay her way through college and pulled a gun. He emptied the till of its $606.73 takings, assaulted her and fled into the night. But the detective who interviewed Reedy in hospital didn't believe her, and accused her of stealing the money herself and inventing the story as a cover-up. Although another local woman was attacked not long after in similar fashion, the police didn't join the dots.

Following further inquiries, Reedy was arrested for theft and false reporting and, pregnant with her first child (by her now ex-husband), thrown in jail. She was subsequently released on bail, but lost her job. More than a year after attacking Reedy, the man struck again, but this time he was caught and confessed to the earlier crime.

When the charges against her were dropped, Reedy sued the police and has now won a marathon legal battle and a $1.5m (£1m) settlement against the detective who turned her from victim into accused. The payment was agreed earlier this year, but can be revealed only now because of a non-disclosure clause that was part of the settlement.

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We can go all day with this. Your exact words in this thread, and I quote:

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Basically every other time a bitch claims she got raped, she's just outright lying.

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You've lost it. From the moment you entered this thread you were not only on the wrong side of the argument, you weren't even in the same stratosphere. As someone else mentioned, you'd do well to seek professional help.