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BU scenarios will reoccur until DOJ finally holds college town PD's accountable

Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:14 pm
Posted by okietiger
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:14 pm
Think about what's happened in the past 5 years and the local PD response of the following:

Waco
Tallahassee
University Park (Penn State)
Norman (hiding Joe Mixon video)

That's just off the top of my head too. I know there's others.

Edit: not sure how I could forget Knoxville
This post was edited on 5/26/16 at 2:01 pm
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:15 pm to
This is something we dont have to worry about in College Station, CSPD will arrest football players for changing lanes without signaling.
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:18 pm to
Knoxville. Tennessee is fighting off a lawsuit based upon its handling of sexual assault (for which no one was fired).
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:18 pm to
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BU scenarios will reoccur until DOJ finally holds college town PD's accountable

this has little to do with legit policing bodies and everything to do with Obama's terrible Title 9 policy

until we remove sexual assault investigations from universities, you will find extreme examples of how they are handled. universities are not police and should not be used as a policing body. the bias will lead to extreme examples on both ends (UVA, Baylor)

Posted by Oddibe
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:19 pm to
Unfortunately, Barney Fife comes to mind anytime I think about campus police. I am not exactly sure how campus police interact with the local police, but in a perfect world the campus police would be a sub-station of the local PD.

Posted by Bunk Moreland
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:20 pm to
I don't like these Title IX suits (but don't really understand them) because I feel like you should either have a woman file her regular criminal charges or pursue a traditional tort claim for something like sexual assault. But, the Title IX cases for fostering rape culture just seem like a weird catch all to punish people, almost like RICO. That said, these suits seem to be one mechanism as a check on crooked local PDs. But, you're making a good point as to the Feds. I am not normally a huge fan of an overzealous federal government, but they are sometimes all we have to keep crooked local cops and politicians in place.
This post was edited on 5/26/16 at 12:21 pm
Posted by Oddibe
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:21 pm to
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this has little to do with legit policing bodies and everything to do with Obama's terrible Title 9 policy
I am no Obama fan, but Title IX was around long before he showed up in D.C.
Posted by stlslick
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:22 pm to
LOL at no Tenn on ur list

their fricking coach got the calls as soon as cops got on scene, he also allowed a hit on a player who backed the rape accuser. Even called the kid a traitor.


Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:22 pm to
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But, the Title IX cases for fostering rape culture just seem like a weird catch all to punish people, almost like RICO.

i almost made this exact comparison in the main thread about Briles

it seems like they can't get him directly, so they're using associations to do it...just like RICO

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That said, these suits seem to be one mechanism as a check on crooked local PDs.

if we removed the universities entirely, it would allow a much larger magnifying glass on the PDs

right now it's a mess of a bunch of different institutions with varying levels of interaction and overlap, which makes it very easy for real crimes to slip through the cracks (oh i thought you reported it? no i thought YOU reported it!)

if the local PDs are crooked, let them burn
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:23 pm to
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I am no Obama fan, but Title IX was around long before he showed up in D.C.

his DOJ changed interpretations of Title 9 to include sexual assault investigations, which has led to chaos on campus
Posted by stlslick
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:27 pm to
Unlike many of these campuses, CoMo police, School Police, and Boone County cops get a hard on, when it comes to arresting athletes.

While other schools police are incompetent and their departments pander to athletic program, CoMo don't play no games, an athlete is a notch on their belt.

Posted by RedRifle
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:28 pm to
fricking contortions to blame Obama for everything. Most of these things have been happening for years. And many before he became president. What does Bams have to do with a jock sniffing cop letting a player slide or hiding evidence because he's in love with the hometown program?
Posted by okietiger
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:30 pm to
I'm not a fan of gov't intervention either. But somethings gotta change here.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:33 pm to
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fricking contortions to blame Obama for everything.

i don't, so that i can effectively blame him when needed. this is one of the few areas i call him out on

Posted by Bunk Moreland
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:33 pm to
C'mon, man. Something has changed. I always sort of knew about Title IX as the thing that forced universities to spend equal money (or scholarships or whatever it is) on women and men. But then, the Jameis thing came along. I was like, wut does some Title IX have to do with sexual assault claims? Then, the Peyton Manning teabag 20 years later comes up out of nowhere in the context of Title IX. Now, Briles possibly getting fired for exposure over it.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:34 pm to
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I'm not a fan of gov't intervention either. But somethings gotta change here.

lawsuits

open public records

criminal prosecutions for the "Bad cops"

arenas like that are the most effective. these are public bodies and are subject to popularity and oversight
Posted by stlslick
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:40 pm to
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"Bad cops"


They follow orders,this goes to the top, AD's, School presidents, Chiefs, Mayors, etc.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:44 pm to
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Something has changed.


This happened

that is the lighting of the fuse, so to speak
Posted by okietiger
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 1:20 pm to
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They follow orders,this goes to the top, AD's, School presidents, Chiefs, Mayors, etc.


Norman is great example of this. President David Boren absolutely helped prevent that Joe Mixon video from ever seeing the light of day.
Posted by maine82
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 1:36 pm to
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fricking contortions to blame Obama for everything. Most of these things have been happening for years. And many before he became president. What does Bams have to do with a jock sniffing cop letting a player slide or hiding evidence because he's in love with the hometown program?


Like with other things, Obama unilaterally changed how Title IX is supposed to be interpreted through a "Dear Colleague" letter, with the threat that if colleges and Universities didn't change their procedures on sexual assault and harassment, he would sanction them.

Among other things, the standard of proof on assault cases was changed from a 75% to a 51% standard. So now on a sexual assault case, instead of a "clear and convincing standard," you only need a "preponderance of evidence" to punish an alleged assaulter. Due process rights for the accused were also weakened. Additionally, the definition of what constitutes "harassment" has been altered to include a "speech-based hostile environment." Which of course could mean anything, and it's part of the reason the anti-free speech climate on these campuses has intensified.

It's not to say that there shouldn't be strong protections to prevent sexual assault, but the Obama changes have only created confusion, because the Universities that actually want to protect students from assault are caught between the Obama directive and lawsuits by male students who say they're innocent and claim their due process rights are not protected now under Title IX. Meanwhile as far as I know there was no investigation of the Tallahassee Department which presumably the Department of Justice could have come in and done, as they did with Ferguson. So you have confusing Title IV changes on the one hand and a lack of attention to local policing on the other.
This post was edited on 5/26/16 at 1:37 pm
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