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re: Bill Barnwell roasts Mike McCarthy on Grantland today
Posted on 1/19/15 at 9:47 am to Bunk Moreland
Posted on 1/19/15 at 9:47 am to Bunk Moreland
My friend and his family just shut down after the game. Anger, frustration, disbelief, sadness~ I genuinely felt really bad for them :X
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Posted on 1/19/15 at 9:49 am to wildtigercat93
Urban was 3-3 on 4th down vs Oregon. The point is you have to play to win, not play not to lose. Urban lead his team to victory playing highly aggressive. I am a huge believer in going for it on fourth down with 3 yards to go as the threshold.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 9:53 am to roguetiger15
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what an idiot, 99% of coaches take the points, on the road and in the NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME.
You need 1 yard and have the best QB in the league and a horse for a RB... you do not kick a FG.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 9:53 am to EastNastySwag
The Packers playing taking a slide on that last int didn't help McCarthy much. I'm not sure how much more room he had, but that int took only a minute off the clock and cost Seattle around 10 yards or something.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 9:55 am to Augustus
The two huge question marks I had were;
1. Why the frick did the defender go down after Wilson's last pick? Had he managed to gain 10-15 yards on the return, they would have nearly been in FG range. If so...game over.
2. Why when Seattle has 3 timeouts, they hand it to Lacy 3 times for -4 yards? You have to at least get a 1st down to end get to the 2 minute warning, fricking go get it.
1. Why the frick did the defender go down after Wilson's last pick? Had he managed to gain 10-15 yards on the return, they would have nearly been in FG range. If so...game over.
2. Why when Seattle has 3 timeouts, they hand it to Lacy 3 times for -4 yards? You have to at least get a 1st down to end get to the 2 minute warning, fricking go get it.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 9:57 am to roguetiger15
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what an idiot, 99% of coaches take the points, on the road and in the NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME.
I agree, Saints though screwed up many times going for it in those situations. Against Seattle, you take the points unless you have a physical Oline to go along with physical RB. GB does not have a physical Oline
Posted on 1/19/15 at 10:00 am to EastNastySwag
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Urban was 3-3 on 4th down vs Oregon. The point is you have to play to win, not play not to lose. Urban lead his team to victory playing highly aggressive. I am a huge believer in going for it on fourth down with 3 yards to go as the threshold.
Like in my previous post I usually would agree with this but it came back to bite the Saints in the arse several times this year going for it on 4th and goal at the 1.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 10:02 am to Augustus
Maybe it's just me, but if I get down to the one or two yard line in the playoffs, I'm handing off to this guy 4 times in a row.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 10:02 am to Augustus
McCarthy coached the game scared and lost plain and simple. However before we rag on his in game decisions, 3 main factors played in the loss.
1. Missed onside
2. A.J. Hawk chasing down the holder, who wasn't going to make the 1st
3. Two turnovers that cost them points after successful drives
You eliminate one of these and the Packers win
1. Missed onside
2. A.J. Hawk chasing down the holder, who wasn't going to make the 1st
3. Two turnovers that cost them points after successful drives
You eliminate one of these and the Packers win
Posted on 1/19/15 at 10:03 am to lsuhunt555
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1. Why the frick did the defender go down after Wilson's last pick? Had he managed to gain 10-15 yards on the return, they would have nearly been in FG range. If so...game over.
Hard to put this on the coaches. Player was just reacting in the heat of the moment.
This post was edited on 1/19/15 at 10:04 am
Posted on 1/19/15 at 10:10 am to Black n Gold
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Hard to put this on the coaches. Player was just reacting in the heat of the moment.
I agree with that, but its more of a reflection of the two questions I had and the bigger picture. That pick made GB act like the game was over, going down like that coupled with the play calling on the next drive was awful. They treated that like it sealed the game and it did anything but.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 10:14 am to Baloo
quote:Really?
If you fail on so many close in plays in a row, there's no reason to think the 4th down play will suddenly work.
You're also overlooking the 1 thing most people are overlooking...the reason why you go for it here is because even if you don't get it and give SEA 1st and 10 from their half yardline, the odds are in your favor that you'll get the ball back in good field position with a great chance to get back in field goal range.
quote:Also, based on your logic in the 1st quote of yours, wouldn't you be more forgiving of him on the 2nd one?
I'll forgive him for the first one
This post was edited on 1/19/15 at 10:15 am
Posted on 1/19/15 at 10:16 am to roguetiger15
quote:99% of coaches are then making the wrong decision.
what an idiot, 99% of coaches take the points, on the road and in the NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME
Posted on 1/19/15 at 10:19 am to lsuhunt555
quote:That always annoys me. It's obviously important if the team has a timeout or 2 left on that final drive that starts under 2 minutes, but I don't think it's important enough for the offense to give up on the previous possession and essentially not try to get the 1st down. I think getting the 1st down is valuable enough that, when Aaron Rodgers is your QB, you make at least 1 throw for a 1st down on that possession. I'd think that's a no brainer.
2. Why when Seattle has 3 timeouts, they hand it to Lacy 3 times for -4 yards? You have to at least get a 1st down to end get to the 2 minute warning, fricking go get it.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 10:19 am to shel311
99% of coaches doing that is bullshite too. I guarentee Belicheck goes for it.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 10:19 am to windshieldman
quote:And there are just as many examples where other teams benefit from it, but people only remember when it doesn't work.
Like in my previous post I usually would agree with this but it came back to bite the Saints in the arse several times this year going for it on 4th and goal at the 1.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 10:19 am to shel311
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You're also overlooking the 1 thing most people are overlooking...the reason why you go for it here is because even if you don't get it and give SEA 1st and 10 from their half yardline, the odds are in your favor that you'll get the ball back in good field position with a great chance to get back in field goal range.
I realize that. I'm an advocate of usually going for it on 4th down, because the downside isn't that big of a downside. But I really had no reason to believe at that point that Green Bay had any chance of scoring on 4th down. So the question is: would you rather have a 3-0 lead with Seattle getting the ball on the 25 or tied at 0 with Seattle on the 1.
The first option is clearly better. Also, that "mistake" led directly to Seattle's fumble and Green Bay getting the ball back. The decision to kick the first FG actually ended up netting Green Bay 6 points (though I would have gone for it the second time).
Stat guys sometimes forget these are averages we are talking about. You do need to take game situation into account. And there was little reason to believe Green Bay would score on 4th down.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 10:23 am to Baloo
quote:I don't see it that way. Even at the 1 foot line, I'm pretty confident Rodgers could make a play.
So the question is: would you rather have a 3-0 lead with Seattle getting the ball on the 25 or tied at 0 with Seattle on the 1.
quote:Well, if they scored a TD, wouldn't the same thing have happened? Plus, you're playing the result, I think we're arguing what should have been done right at the moment, and being armed with the result isn't really fair.
Also, that "mistake" led directly to Seattle's fumble and Green Bay getting the ball back. The decision to kick the first FG actually ended up netting Green Bay 6 points
quote:Agree on the 1st part, completely disagree on the 2nd part. You're throwing all of your eggs in a basket on a sample size of 2 plays, not sure why.
Stat guys sometimes forget these are averages we are talking about. You do need to take game situation into account. And there was little reason to believe Green Bay would score on 4th down
This post was edited on 1/19/15 at 10:25 am
Posted on 1/19/15 at 10:24 am to shel311
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And there are just as many examples where other teams benefit from it, but people only remember when it doesn't work.
Which is why this argument is somewhat pointless. If you fail and don't score points there is this same kinda thread with people bitching and saying you should take the points.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 10:25 am to shel311
I think in the future coaches will be playing to win a lot more often and eschewing fgs.
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