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re: Big10(+1+1=12?) announces 9 game conference schedule in 2017

Posted on 8/4/11 at 1:29 pm to
Posted by SprintFun
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Posted on 8/4/11 at 1:29 pm to
The conference maybe, but the actual team university?

OSU makes more money playing Kent St at home than playing at Indiana. You can't convince me otherwise.
Posted by Ralph_Wiggum
Sugarland
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Posted on 8/4/11 at 1:30 pm to
I like it. Since you rotate with 4 and 5 conference home games I don't think it's an advantage. Plus last year Michigan State and Ohio State didn't play each other. This will make things like this less likely but not impossible.
Posted by RedHawk
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 8/4/11 at 1:31 pm to
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Fact is right now teams can have 16 home games over two years. In 2017 they can have 15 home games over two years. They are missing out on that revenue no matter what way you cut it.


Since the move to 12 games, Iowa has always had 7 home games. This will not change with the move to 9 B1G conference games. Won't hurt Iowa at all.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/4/11 at 1:32 pm to
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He's saying you make more money playing Kent St at home than playing on the road at Indiana.


this, the only way an SEC team gives up a home game is for a big payout at a neutral site.

Plus now with the SEC/ESPN network deal those games against ULL, Tulane,... are on national TV
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 8/4/11 at 1:32 pm to
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Auburn played 8 conference games, Clemson, and the SECCG... 10 BCS Opponents.

Nine conference games + OOC BCS Opponent + Championship Game is going to be more difficult.


Replace Clemson with Vanderbilt, Florida, or Tennessee. More difficult last year?
Posted by SprintFun
Columbus, OH
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/4/11 at 1:33 pm to
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Since the move to 12 games, Iowa has always had 7 home games. This will not change with the move to 9 B1G conference games. Won't hurt Iowa at all.



So you are saying they always play one away out of conference game, right?

So they could have a year where they play 5 away Big10 games, 4 home Big10 games, 1 away OOC game, 2 home OOC games.

So they'd play 6 home games and 6 away games. They lose out on that revenue.
Posted by RedHawk
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 8/4/11 at 1:33 pm to
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this, the only way an SEC team gives up a home game is for a big payout at a neutral site.


Why would you have to give up a home game? In the years you have 5 home conference games you can schedule two rent a wins and one away game against a BCS level school. In the years you have 4 home conference games you can schedule two rent a wins and a home game against a BCS level school. Same as it is today.
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 8/4/11 at 1:35 pm to
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OSU makes more money playing Kent St at home than playing at Indiana. You can't convince me otherwise.
I'm not trying to. They're still going to play Kent State.

Look, the B1G teams usually have two cupcakes, a middie, and a BCS opponent on the OOC. The conference is saying, "Ok, since you want to play an extra quality opponent, let's just make that a Big Ten game so the conference can keep all the money."

Smart move. The B1G makes more money from Minnesota/Indiana than from Minnesota/Stanford.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/4/11 at 1:36 pm to
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B1G have four "permanent" OOC rivalries.


Notre Dame, Kentucky, Iowa St, & who am I missing?
Posted by RedHawk
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 8/4/11 at 1:37 pm to
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So they could have a year where they play 5 away Big10 games, 4 home Big10 games, 1 away OOC game, 2 home OOC games.

So they'd play 6 home games and 6 away games. They lose out on that revenue.


This isn't hard to understand. Right now Iowa plays 7 home games a year with 4 of those being in conference and three OOC. When they move to a 9 game conference schedule, in the years they play 5 home games they will schedule 2 rent a wins at home and an away game against a BCS level school, in the years they have 4 home games they will schedule 2 rent a wins at home and a home game against a BCS level school. 7 home games either way.
Posted by xiv
Parody. #AdminsRule
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Posted on 8/4/11 at 1:37 pm to
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So you are saying they always play one away out of conference game, right?

So they could have a year where they play 5 away Big10 games, 4 home Big10 games, 1 away OOC game, 2 home OOC games.

So they'd play 6 home games and 6 away games. They lose out on that revenue.
I can't believe how you don't get this.

It takes an AD 10 seconds to think, "Ok, in 2018, we have four B1G home games and five B1G away games. Let's make sure not to have an away OOC game that year." Presto.
Posted by SprintFun
Columbus, OH
Member since Dec 2007
45794 posts
Posted on 8/4/11 at 1:38 pm to
You lose a home game every two years. I don't understand why you can't grasp that.

So hypothetically instead of OSU playing Miami/Eastern Michigan/Akron/Kent St they play Miami/Eastern/Michigan/Akron. They lose the revenue of playing Kent St by having to go to Indiana.
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 8/4/11 at 1:39 pm to
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quote:
B1G have four "permanent" OOC rivalries.



Notre Dame, Kentucky, Iowa St, & who am I missing?
Michigan vs. Notre Dame (contract through 2032)
Michigan State vs. Notre Dame
Purdue vs. Notre Dame
Iowa vs. Iowa State
Posted by SprintFun
Columbus, OH
Member since Dec 2007
45794 posts
Posted on 8/4/11 at 1:39 pm to
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I can't believe how you don't get this.

It takes an AD 10 seconds to think, "Ok, in 2018, we have four B1G home games and five B1G away games. Let's make sure not to have an away OOC game that year." Presto.



In Iowa's case, they are locked into playing Iowa St every year. So they would be hindered by scheduling a home and home with a major BCS team, like they have with Arizona recently.
Posted by RedHawk
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
8852 posts
Posted on 8/4/11 at 1:40 pm to
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You lose a home game every two years. I don't understand why you can't grasp that.


Maybe OSU loses that revenue since I haven't kept up with how many home games they schedule every year. Iowa has always scheduled 7 home games and that will continue with the 9 game conference schedule. Iowa won't lose any home games over any year stretch neither will the vast majority of B1G schools.
Posted by RedHawk
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
8852 posts
Posted on 8/4/11 at 1:42 pm to
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In Iowa's case, they are locked into playing Iowa St every year. So they would be hindered by scheduling a home and home with a major BCS team, like they have with Arizona recently.


That part is correct. Under the current setup Iowa was able to schedule a home and home with another BCS school and would schedule their home game when they had to play at ISU and vice versa. Now they will just schedule two rent a wins at home and play at ISU when they have 5 home B1G games and play at home when they have 4 home B1G games.
Posted by SprintFun
Columbus, OH
Member since Dec 2007
45794 posts
Posted on 8/4/11 at 1:43 pm to
Iowa can't have a rivalry with ISU AND Schedule a home and home with another BCS school without losing one home game over two years. So have fun playing them from now until eternity and that's it, because I doubt they'd want to lose out on that revenue.

I love OOC games in college football, anything to detract from that and I'm not a fan.
This post was edited on 8/4/11 at 1:44 pm
Posted by xiv
Parody. #AdminsRule
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Posted on 8/4/11 at 1:44 pm to
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You lose a home game every two years.
No you don't.
quote:

So hypothetically instead of OSU playing Miami/Eastern Michigan/Akron/Kent St they play Miami/Eastern/Michigan/Akron. They lose the revenue of playing Kent St by having to go to Indiana.
No they don't.

Stay with me (pay special attention to games in bold):

2009-Ohio State (Big Ten)
9/5 vs. Navy (10-4) W 31 27
9/12 vs. Southern California (9-4) L 15 18
9/19 vs. Toledo (5-7) W 38 0 @ Cleveland, OH
9/26 vs. *Illinois (3-9) W 30 0
10/3 @ *Indiana (4-8) W 33 14
10/10 vs. *Wisconsin (10-3) W 31 13
10/17 @ *Purdue (5-7) L 18 26
10/24 vs. *Minnesota (6-7) W 38 7
10/31 vs. New Mexico State (3-10) W 45 0
11/7 @ *Penn State (11-2) W 24 7
11/14 vs. *Iowa (11-2) W 27 24
11/21 @ *Michigan (5-7) W 21 10
1/1 vs. Oregon (10-3) W 26 17 @ Pasadena, CA Rose Bowl

2008-Ohio State (Big Ten)
8/30 vs. Youngstown State (non-IA) W 43 0
9/6 vs. Ohio (4-8) W 26 14
9/13 @ Southern California (12-1) L 3 35
9/20 vs. Troy (8-5) W 28 10
9/27 vs. *Minnesota (7-6) W 34 21
10/4 @ *Wisconsin (7-6) W 20 17
10/11 vs. *Purdue (4-8) W 16 3
10/18 @ *Michigan State (9-4) W 45 7
10/25 vs. *Penn State (11-2) L 6 13
11/8 @ *Northwestern (9-4) W 45 10
11/15 @ *Illinois (5-7) W 30 20
11/22 vs. *Michigan (3-9) W 42 7
1/5 vs. Texas (12-1) L 21 24 @ Glendale, AZ Fiesta Bowl

2007-Ohio State (Big Ten)
9/1 vs. Youngstown State (non-IA) W 38 6
9/8 vs. Akron (4-8) W 20 2
9/15 @ Washington (4-9) W 33 14
9/22 vs. *Northwestern (6-6) W 58 7
9/29 @ *Minnesota (1-11) W 30 7
10/6 @ *Purdue (8-5) W 23 7
10/13 vs. Kent (3-9) W 48 3
10/20 vs. *Michigan State (7-6) W 24 17
10/27 @ *Penn State (9-4) W 37 17
11/3 vs. *Wisconsin (9-4) W 38 17
11/10 vs. *Illinois (9-4) L 21 28
11/17 @ *Michigan (9-4) W 14 3
1/7 vs. Louisiana State (12-2) L 24 38 @ New Orleans, LA BCS Championship

2006-Ohio State (Big Ten)
9/2 vs. Northern Illinois (7-6) W 35 12
9/9 @ Texas (10-3) W 24 7
9/16 vs. Cincinnati (8-5) W 37 7

9/23 vs. *Penn State (9-4) W 28 6
9/30 @ *Iowa (6-7) W 38 17
10/7 vs. Bowling Green State (4-8) W 35 7
10/14 @ *Michigan State (4-8) W 38 7
10/21 vs. *Indiana (5-7) W 44 3
10/28 vs. *Minnesota (6-7) W 44 0
11/4 @ *Illinois (2-10) W 17 10
11/11 @ *Northwestern (4-8) W 54 10
11/18 vs. *Michigan (11-2) W 42 39
1/8 vs. Florida (13-1) L 14 41 @ Glendale, AZ BCS Championship


Replace games like the ones in bold with B1G games, and the B1G makes more money.

Now, what part don't you get?
This post was edited on 8/4/11 at 1:45 pm
Posted by SprintFun
Columbus, OH
Member since Dec 2007
45794 posts
Posted on 8/4/11 at 1:46 pm to
Why would you want to replace playing Southern Cal? Or Miami? Or Tennessee?

That's my point. Something has to give, and when that something is big OOC games, I'm not a fan.
This post was edited on 8/4/11 at 1:47 pm
Posted by xiv
Parody. #AdminsRule
Member since Feb 2004
39508 posts
Posted on 8/4/11 at 1:46 pm to
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In Iowa's case, they are locked into playing Iowa St every year. So they would be hindered by scheduling a home and home with a major BCS team, like they have with Arizona recently.

You're getting warmer.
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