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re: Baseball Hall of Fame Announcement Thread- Bagwell, Raines, Pudge Elected to HOF
Posted on 1/19/17 at 3:43 pm to Bench McElroy
Posted on 1/19/17 at 3:43 pm to Bench McElroy
Walker was a very good baserunner, better than Edmonds, but...
...was aided by playing a lot of games in a massive outfield.
That helped his defensive metrics, too.
Nonsense. The numbers you are citing are incomplete; ending in 2001. Starting w/ Edmonds first full season (1994, which wasn't even a full season), they are 39 vs. 38. BB-Ref shows total zone fielding runs as 97 vs 87. They also show Edmonds with a 5.9 career dWAR vs. Walker's 1.5. Put Larry Walker in center and tell me who was the better OF. I will take a top 5 defensive CF over a top 5 defensive RF every time.
They are certainly comparable. LH slugging plus defensive OF from the same era w/ similar slash lines (when you adjust for Walker's silly ballpark). In fact, Edmonds is fourth on Walker's list of similarity scores.
It's fine to say Walker was the better player, but Edmonds lasting only 1 year on the ballot was ridiculous. So was Kenny Lofton.
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Walker had an extra bases taken percentage of 52% during his career which is very good.
...was aided by playing a lot of games in a massive outfield.
That helped his defensive metrics, too.
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Walker was also the better defensive player.
Nonsense. The numbers you are citing are incomplete; ending in 2001. Starting w/ Edmonds first full season (1994, which wasn't even a full season), they are 39 vs. 38. BB-Ref shows total zone fielding runs as 97 vs 87. They also show Edmonds with a 5.9 career dWAR vs. Walker's 1.5. Put Larry Walker in center and tell me who was the better OF. I will take a top 5 defensive CF over a top 5 defensive RF every time.
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the two really aren't comparable at all besides having similar counting stats.
They are certainly comparable. LH slugging plus defensive OF from the same era w/ similar slash lines (when you adjust for Walker's silly ballpark). In fact, Edmonds is fourth on Walker's list of similarity scores.
It's fine to say Walker was the better player, but Edmonds lasting only 1 year on the ballot was ridiculous. So was Kenny Lofton.
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Posted on 1/19/17 at 3:48 pm to Speedy G
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It's fine to say Walker was the better player, but Edmonds lasting only 1 year on the ballot was ridiculous. So was Kenny Lofton.
This somewhat takes me back to an earlier post of mine where I stated...If you have to "argue" for a players induction then he really is not a true HoF'er.
IMO you should know a HoF'er when you see one play or the way he is spoken about. Not having to use some advanced metric that can be possibly spun to make Rufino Lineras and Brad Kommisk (random Braves I threw out) comparable to Babe Ruth or Mickey Mantle
Posted on 1/19/17 at 6:11 pm to sms151t
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This somewhat takes me back to an earlier post of mine where I stated...If you have to "argue" for a players induction then he really is not a true HoF'er.
I don't think this is true. There is a line somewhere. Not all HOFers are created equal. Some will be closer to that line than others and will need further examination, hence the 10 years on the ballot. Some will have played in smaller markets or in a region that didn't get much exposure in other regions.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 8:55 pm to tduecen
The fact the Pudge and Bagwell got in before McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, Clemens and even Rose is a fricking joke. I hope the writers get dysentery
Posted on 1/23/17 at 6:43 pm to TJGator1215
Do you realize that this probably had to happen to pave the way for bonds and Clemens? This is good news for bonds and Clemens proponents.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 6:47 pm to TJGator1215
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The fact the Pudge and Bagwell got in before McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, Clemens and even Rose is a fricking joke. I hope the writers get dysentery
do you really not understand the difference between this group of players?
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:00 pm to Speedy G
Dante Bichette looked like a HoFer in Coors Field.
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