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Baseball base running ruling: dropped 2nd strike/throw to first/steal
Posted on 4/25/16 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 4/25/16 at 1:47 pm
Situation: man on 3rd, 1 out, 1 strike. Catcher drops strike two at his feet, batter takes off to first, catcher throws to first, runner comes home, run counts, batter forced to return to plate to finish AB.
Was it handled correctly (E2, catcher should have been aware of the situation)? If not, what should the ruling have been. A few we came up with:
Some sort of batter interference due to leaving the batter’s box area/dead ball?
Should the batter/batter’s team be penalized by returning the runner to third?
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Posted on 4/25/16 at 1:50 pm to Coon
That was the correct call.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 1:50 pm to Coon
That was the correct call.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 1:51 pm to Coon
quote:
Situation: man on 3rd, 1 out, 1 strike. Catcher drops strike two at his feet, batter takes off to first, catcher throws to first, runner comes home, run counts, batter forced to return to plate to finish AB.
Was it handled correctly (E2, catcher should have been aware of the situation)? If not, what should the ruling have been. A few we came up with:
Some sort of batter interference due to leaving the batter’s box area/dead ball?
Should the batter/batter’s team be penalized by returning the runner to third?
Where did this happen?
Posted on 4/25/16 at 1:51 pm to Coon
Sounds like correct call. Had something similar happen when I played little league. Runner on 1st and the batter would "take their base" on ball 3. Both guys acted as if it was ball 4. Umpire calls batter back and runner gets to keep base.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 1:52 pm to Coon
What's the penalty for delay of game?
Posted on 4/25/16 at 1:53 pm to Coon
I think y'all made the correct ruling. I can't think of any specific rule that would be broken.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 1:55 pm to OneMoreTime
it happened in little league but we were discussing it as it would pertain to college/pro ball. What if...
the only question is if the batter did anything illegal by running to first.
the only question is if the batter did anything illegal by running to first.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 1:57 pm to Coon
There is a specific rule about batters doing things to trick a pitcher into balking (liking screaming times while he pitches). I wonder if this could fall into that category
Posted on 4/25/16 at 1:58 pm to Coon
Delay of game is the only thing that might apply, but since it's after a pitch in the dirt, I'm not sure that it applies here.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 1:59 pm to Coon
The only illegal action would possibly be a delay of game.
But if you call that then wouldn't a ball hit foulnthat the batter runs out also be a delay of game at some levels? Or if the batter takes off thinking it's a walk and it's a full count?
I think y'all made the right call unless there are rate of play rules.
But if you call that then wouldn't a ball hit foulnthat the batter runs out also be a delay of game at some levels? Or if the batter takes off thinking it's a walk and it's a full count?
I think y'all made the right call unless there are rate of play rules.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 2:05 pm to KosmoCramer
I coach for 10 u softball and this weekend coaches were sending there kids on strike 3 to first no matter what.. Even if runner is on first with less then 2 outs, even if Catcher catches 3rd strike clean.
It worked on us once, our Catcher panicked with the whole crowd/coaches screaming for the girl to run and she threw it to first and the girl on 3rd scored.
Completely legal but kind of Bush league in my opinion. I'm not teaching my girls that shite. They are trying to learn the damn game.
It worked on us once, our Catcher panicked with the whole crowd/coaches screaming for the girl to run and she threw it to first and the girl on 3rd scored.
Completely legal but kind of Bush league in my opinion. I'm not teaching my girls that shite. They are trying to learn the damn game.
This post was edited on 4/25/16 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 4/25/16 at 2:10 pm to touchdown moses
Agree it's Bush league, but that help raise awareness at the same time.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 2:17 pm to touchdown moses
quote:
I coach for 10 u softball and this weekend coaches were sending there kids on strike 3 to first no matter what.. Even if runner is on first with less then 2 outs, even if Catcher catches 3rd strike clean.
Well sometimes kids are taught to do that just in case so they maybe weren't trying to be bush league
Posted on 4/25/16 at 2:18 pm to Coon
There is a rule that if a runner intentionally runs the bases backwards in an attempt to 'trick' the defense or make a farce of the game, the ump shall call time and rule the runner out.
"(10) After he has acquired legal possession of a base, he runs the bases in reverse order for the purpose of confusing the defense or making a travesty of the game. The umpire shall immediately call “Time” and declare the runner out;"
It doesn't completely apply though, since the batter never acquired legal possession of a base, nor did he run backwards. Still, there's a precedent for calling a running out for trying to confuse the defense.
"(10) After he has acquired legal possession of a base, he runs the bases in reverse order for the purpose of confusing the defense or making a travesty of the game. The umpire shall immediately call “Time” and declare the runner out;"
It doesn't completely apply though, since the batter never acquired legal possession of a base, nor did he run backwards. Still, there's a precedent for calling a running out for trying to confuse the defense.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 2:31 pm to Coon
Sounds like the right call, but depending on the level of play for the league I could support an ump calling it a dead ball and do-over (with 2 strikes and the runner back on 3rd). There's always an "ump can do whatever it takes" rule to cover weird stuff.
This post was edited on 4/25/16 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 4/25/16 at 2:40 pm to Coon
It does sound like it's technically the right call but that is bush league as shite. That's the hitter's equivalent of a balk. I have no idea if a rule exists to combat it but there should be where another strike is assessed (and you're out if it would be strike 3)
Posted on 4/25/16 at 2:46 pm to LSUBoo
Good point. If I'm the ump and I call strike Twoooo and batters start running to first... The first time I'd let it go, the second time warning, and third time ejection. I think that would fall under mockery of the game.
Eta. It was the correct call. And for a little league game the umps usually help teach the kids.
Eta. It was the correct call. And for a little league game the umps usually help teach the kids.
This post was edited on 4/25/16 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 4/25/16 at 2:46 pm to Coon
it's not a dead ball...
for one...
for two correct call
for one...
for two correct call
Posted on 4/25/16 at 2:47 pm to Coon
Some have mentioned delay of game, but couldn't you say that the catcher caused the delay? If his head wasn't up his arse, he would have thrown the ball to the pitcher instead of 1B.
Correct call made.
Correct call made.
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