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Anyone know anything about Rugby?
Posted on 10/29/12 at 11:17 am
Posted on 10/29/12 at 11:17 am
Recently took a trip to Ireland and watched a little rugby. I find myself wanting to learn more about this sport as it's very intriguing. The basics of it seem simple enough, but the penalties and rucks/scrums and all that type of shite throw me for a loop. Any good sites or anything to learn more about the sport? any guidance is appreciated 
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Posted on 10/29/12 at 11:20 am to Doldil
Well what was confusing for you? Also did you watch League or Union? Very different playing styles and rules. League doesn't really ruck being the main difference.
I played 3 years in high school and 1 year in an adult league plus a few summers playing sevens
I played 3 years in high school and 1 year in an adult league plus a few summers playing sevens
Posted on 10/29/12 at 11:27 am to carbola
I'm guessing Union...i'm not really sure. dude in the pub was trying to explain the breakdown of it and it seemed to be a 2nd tier league IE not the Heineken cup?
I guess the things that really confuse me are why certain things happen, such as when a player gets tackled suddenly 5 guys from both teams are suddenly slammed up against each other scrum style. 90% of the time the team with the ball retains it but other times it gets stolen- how does that happen...i just kind of assumed that once tackled you retained the ball until a turnover/penalty/out of bounds etc.
One other thing that's been bugging me...to score a drop goal does the ball actually have to hit the ground or can it be punted football style? And why the frick does a penalty allow for a kick in to touch but the kicking team takes the lineout...?
I guess the things that really confuse me are why certain things happen, such as when a player gets tackled suddenly 5 guys from both teams are suddenly slammed up against each other scrum style. 90% of the time the team with the ball retains it but other times it gets stolen- how does that happen...i just kind of assumed that once tackled you retained the ball until a turnover/penalty/out of bounds etc.
One other thing that's been bugging me...to score a drop goal does the ball actually have to hit the ground or can it be punted football style? And why the frick does a penalty allow for a kick in to touch but the kicking team takes the lineout...?
Posted on 10/29/12 at 11:29 am to carbola
They don't do much league in Ireland, so I assume Union...
Known ruggers (whether active or not) on the MSB are me, busbeepbeep, Swagga, and lowerbamatrojan.
There are a few other posters who've been following the sport online and via Fox Soccer Plus.
Known ruggers (whether active or not) on the MSB are me, busbeepbeep, Swagga, and lowerbamatrojan.
There are a few other posters who've been following the sport online and via Fox Soccer Plus.
Posted on 10/29/12 at 11:33 am to Doldil
While waiting for a reply I'll try to type out some of the bigger rules:
The ball can only be moved forward by a kick or running it. If you the ball moves forward off of your body it is called a "knock". This typically results in a Scrum. The image below is how a team typically looks during a scrum. The other team would match this, but if they are on "defense" (meaning they are not putting the ball into the scrum) their line is flat. The off sides line at this time is the ball. This means that the opposing scrum half cannot pass the ball until your scrum half touches it.
So your scrum half puts the ball in. The hooker hooks the ball between the locks and the eight man separates the two scrum halfs. The scrum half takes the ball out and passes to the fly half and then a whole lot can happen. This is the typical way. The eight man could, for example, pick up the ball and run as well.
Rucks are a little harder to explain. If you have the ball and get tackled you have until the ref says "immediately" to release the ball. This is why when they are tackled the tend to turn back towards their team so they can place it closer to their players. Then people engage over the ball and this is called the ruck. Any number of people can be involved in this. You may only enter the ruck from the end and you may not touch the ball once engaged in the ruck. The back foot of the ruck on either side is the offside line in this case. One player will go to the back of the scrum and either pass it out or pick it up and run. This happens ever time a tackle is made. Also, unlike American Football, the tackler must bring you to the ground in order to be considered tackled. This means that if you get checked you can get back up and run. Lastly, if you are tackled and are quick, you can get tackled release the ball get back up and keep running with it, or the defensive player can do the same.
Trys can also be a bit confusing. In rugby you must put the ball to the ground under control for it to count. You get 5 points for doing so. You then get an attempt at 2 extra points. To determine where you kick from you draw a line back from where you placed the ball down and kick from there with a minimum distance from the try line (I forget the number). So if you place the ball between the uprights you get to kick from between the uprights. If you place the ball at the touch line, you have to kick from the touch line.
When kicking the ball the onside rule is also a little confusing. Whoever kicks the ball is the onside line. If you are behind him you are also onside. Once you are onside you remain onside. The furthest player up that is onside becomes the onside line. Once past this you may come into contact with the other team.
The ball can only be moved forward by a kick or running it. If you the ball moves forward off of your body it is called a "knock". This typically results in a Scrum. The image below is how a team typically looks during a scrum. The other team would match this, but if they are on "defense" (meaning they are not putting the ball into the scrum) their line is flat. The off sides line at this time is the ball. This means that the opposing scrum half cannot pass the ball until your scrum half touches it.
So your scrum half puts the ball in. The hooker hooks the ball between the locks and the eight man separates the two scrum halfs. The scrum half takes the ball out and passes to the fly half and then a whole lot can happen. This is the typical way. The eight man could, for example, pick up the ball and run as well.
Rucks are a little harder to explain. If you have the ball and get tackled you have until the ref says "immediately" to release the ball. This is why when they are tackled the tend to turn back towards their team so they can place it closer to their players. Then people engage over the ball and this is called the ruck. Any number of people can be involved in this. You may only enter the ruck from the end and you may not touch the ball once engaged in the ruck. The back foot of the ruck on either side is the offside line in this case. One player will go to the back of the scrum and either pass it out or pick it up and run. This happens ever time a tackle is made. Also, unlike American Football, the tackler must bring you to the ground in order to be considered tackled. This means that if you get checked you can get back up and run. Lastly, if you are tackled and are quick, you can get tackled release the ball get back up and keep running with it, or the defensive player can do the same.
Trys can also be a bit confusing. In rugby you must put the ball to the ground under control for it to count. You get 5 points for doing so. You then get an attempt at 2 extra points. To determine where you kick from you draw a line back from where you placed the ball down and kick from there with a minimum distance from the try line (I forget the number). So if you place the ball between the uprights you get to kick from between the uprights. If you place the ball at the touch line, you have to kick from the touch line.
When kicking the ball the onside rule is also a little confusing. Whoever kicks the ball is the onside line. If you are behind him you are also onside. Once you are onside you remain onside. The furthest player up that is onside becomes the onside line. Once past this you may come into contact with the other team.
Posted on 10/29/12 at 11:33 am to Sophandros
I'm probably going to start trying to watch games via first row as much as I can. I don't have FSC+ but due to staying in Limerick and being given some Munster souvenirs I think I know who I'll be watching.
Posted on 10/29/12 at 11:35 am to Doldil
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I guess the things that really confuse me are why certain things happen, such as when a player gets tackled suddenly 5 guys from both teams are suddenly slammed up against each other scrum style.
If the guy is taken to ground, that's called a ruck.
If the guy keeps his feet, that's called a maul.
When you're tackled, you're required to release the ball. Players from both sides can contest for the ball (which is when a ruck is formed) and then play continues.
If a player is tackled, but doesn't go to ground, then a maul can form. The attacking team tries to keep forward momentum while working the ball to the back of the maul, from where another player (usually the scrumhalf) will play the ball.
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90% of the time the team with the ball retains it but other times it gets stolen- how does that happen...
It usually happens either when the defensive team counter-rucks, or the attacking player places the ball poorly, or if, in the tackle, the tackler gets on his feet and is able to steal the ball before the attacking side's players get there.
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One other thing that's been bugging me...to score a drop goal does the ball actually have to hit the ground or can it be punted football style?
No. It has to be drop-kicked. hence the term "drop goal".
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And why the frick does a penalty allow for a kick in to touch but the kicking team takes the lineout...?
Because in a penalty situation, you're given the opportunity to gain that much territory. Just like in American Football, field position is very important.
Posted on 10/29/12 at 11:36 am to Doldil
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I guess the things that really confuse me are why certain things happen, such as when a player gets tackled suddenly 5 guys from both teams are suddenly slammed up against each other scrum style. 90% of the time the team with the ball retains it but other times it gets stolen- how does that happen...i just kind of assumed that once tackled you retained the ball until a turnover/penalty/out of bounds etc.
Well this is a ruck. You can get possession of the ball once a player is tackled you just have to "push" the other team off of the ball. So yeah a turnover can happen by loosing a ruck.
Yes to score a drop goal the ball must hit the ground prior to the kick. It can be punted, but you cannot score any points doing it this way.
If you are in front of the 22 then if the ball goes out of touch you get the line out. Don't know why it's just the rule. If I'm not mistaken, if it hits the ground prior to going into touch then the non kicking team gets the ball.
Posted on 10/29/12 at 11:37 am to Doldil
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Munster
I've got lots of friends who are Munster supporters. They've finally decided to start reloading. I think they held on to some players for a couple seasons too long, and it started to show...
Posted on 10/29/12 at 11:39 am to Sophandros
Thanks
Now could you guys give me a breakdown on the positions? from what I've seen about all I know is the #9 seems to always take the ball from the scrum and the #10 seems to always be the kicker. I see the listing with the breakdown of # and position but that's all gibberish to me as of right now.
Now could you guys give me a breakdown on the positions? from what I've seen about all I know is the #9 seems to always take the ball from the scrum and the #10 seems to always be the kicker. I see the listing with the breakdown of # and position but that's all gibberish to me as of right now.
Posted on 10/29/12 at 11:40 am to Sophandros
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Munster
I got to see them play the US squad before the 08 world cup
Posted on 10/29/12 at 11:40 am to carbola
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If you are in front of the 22 then if the ball goes out of touch you get the line out. Don't know why it's just the rule. If I'm not mistaken, if it hits the ground prior to going into touch then the non kicking team gets the ball.
No.
If you are in front of the 22 and you kick it in open play, it has to bounce before going out of bounds, or the non-kicking team gets the choice of a line out or scrum from where it was kicked.
If you kick from inside the 22, then the opposing team gets the line out where ever the ball goes into touch, regardless of whether it bounced.
In a penalty situation, it can do directly into touch, regardless of your situation relative to the 22.
A free kick is handled identically to the open play rules.
Posted on 10/29/12 at 11:48 am to Doldil
1-8 are forwards. These are the guys in the scrum and usually the guys who hit the rucks first. They will also crash the ball (pick it up and run) if that is the current plan.
10-15 are backs. These are guys who will kick and run with the ball. They are typically faster than the forwards and have more finesse with their passing.
9 is the go between. He will put the ball into the scrum and take it out. He will usually be the one taking the ball out of the rucks and mauls as well.
1 and 3 are props. They support the hooker in the scrums
2 is the hooker. He is between the two props and hooks the ball back into the scrum
4 and 5 are locks. Their main job is pushing in the scrum.
6 and 7 are flankers. They balance the outside of the ruck while being able to break off quickly and tackle if necessary.
8 is the eight man. He separates the scrum halfs in the scrum and may also pick it up and crash on either side of the scrum.
10 is the fly half. Typically will organize the team as to which side the ball needs to go. Will tell the forwards if they should crash and will line up the rest of the backs. He might kick it, run it, or pass it
12 and 13 are your centers. They are typically bigger guys who can take some hits and still run fast. Great passing skills
11 and 14 are the wings. These guys are typically the fastest on the team. Their main job is to get the ball and just book it. They can also kick and catch fairly well.
15 is your full back. This is a great all around player. Needs to be able to kick, catch, and tackle very well. Also needs to have great field awareness. He may play further up or back depending on what the other team is doing and where they are on the field.
10-15 are backs. These are guys who will kick and run with the ball. They are typically faster than the forwards and have more finesse with their passing.
9 is the go between. He will put the ball into the scrum and take it out. He will usually be the one taking the ball out of the rucks and mauls as well.
1 and 3 are props. They support the hooker in the scrums
2 is the hooker. He is between the two props and hooks the ball back into the scrum
4 and 5 are locks. Their main job is pushing in the scrum.
6 and 7 are flankers. They balance the outside of the ruck while being able to break off quickly and tackle if necessary.
8 is the eight man. He separates the scrum halfs in the scrum and may also pick it up and crash on either side of the scrum.
10 is the fly half. Typically will organize the team as to which side the ball needs to go. Will tell the forwards if they should crash and will line up the rest of the backs. He might kick it, run it, or pass it
12 and 13 are your centers. They are typically bigger guys who can take some hits and still run fast. Great passing skills
11 and 14 are the wings. These guys are typically the fastest on the team. Their main job is to get the ball and just book it. They can also kick and catch fairly well.
15 is your full back. This is a great all around player. Needs to be able to kick, catch, and tackle very well. Also needs to have great field awareness. He may play further up or back depending on what the other team is doing and where they are on the field.
Posted on 10/29/12 at 11:50 am to Doldil
Ex-LSU club President here. AKA, Douchebag.
Anything you need to know, feel free to ask Bus.
He knows everything.
Anything you need to know, feel free to ask Bus.
He knows everything.
Posted on 10/29/12 at 11:51 am to carbola
thanks, you guys are awesome. Birmingham has a Rugby team that apparently does open practices for anyone to come out an experience the game. Will be taking my big arse out there at some point in the future once I know more about it and try to give it a shot, I think it would be a lot of fun.
Posted on 10/29/12 at 11:53 am to Doldil
Have fun, good luck drinking.
I mean playing rugby.
I mean playing rugby.
Posted on 10/29/12 at 11:58 am to BRgetthenet
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Have fun, good luck drinking.
hell, I should be a natural then
Posted on 10/29/12 at 12:30 pm to Doldil
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Birmingham Rugby
Good team to play with (in other words, not a bunch of assholes).
Posted on 10/29/12 at 12:55 pm to Doldil
Lots of good knowledge in here already, keep asking questions and jumping in rugby threads when you see them. It's a great sport.
ETA: the best way to learn rugby is by playing it IMO. Def give it a shot if you have the chance.
ETA: the best way to learn rugby is by playing it IMO. Def give it a shot if you have the chance.
This post was edited on 10/29/12 at 12:56 pm
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