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re: Andrew Luck is not Elite
Posted on 9/27/15 at 2:38 pm to TTsTowel
Posted on 9/27/15 at 2:38 pm to TTsTowel
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He turns the ball over way, way too much. Always has.
I'm sick and tired of this being the primary factor in evaluating Luck's success or lackthereof.
Peyton Manning had 25, 15, 15, 23, and 19 interceptions in his first five years in the league (100 total). He also had 138 touchdowns over that same span of time.
For those of you counting at home, that's a touchdown to interception ratio of only 1.38:1.
Through today, Luck has 91 career passing touchdowns and 50 interceptions, or a touchdown to interception ratio of 1.82:1.
Do you see how ridiculous this argument is for a player who has only been in the league for four years? Give him some time.
This post was edited on 9/27/15 at 3:31 pm
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Posted on 9/27/15 at 2:39 pm to BhamDore
He's #1 with checkdowns.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 2:41 pm to ReauxlTide222
Yeah and Brady wasn't an elite QB in his first 3 years.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 2:44 pm to saint amant steve
Manning started his career prior to the rule changes. There was a time where you could hit QBs and were allowed to touch WRs past 5 yards down the field. You were also able to make big hits and make Wrs cough balls up. Luck has played in a much more pass friendly NFL.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 2:46 pm to BhamDore
Ugh knew the Colts were going to come back as soon as I saw this thread.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 2:46 pm to BhamDore
Lulz! 3 playoff appearances in his first 3 years with a team that was 2-14 before he arrived.
Let's completely overreact to 3 games with new personnel.
Let's completely overreact to 3 games with new personnel.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 2:47 pm to bayoucracka
Looks like he was reading this thread
Posted on 9/27/15 at 2:56 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
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Luck has been terrible in 2015, but even Rodgers would struggle with this line.
Yup. Indy signed him some nice, fun, over-the-hill weapons but didn't think about actually protecting Luck. He's fighting for his life out there.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 2:58 pm to Srbtiger06
frick this thread
Posted on 9/27/15 at 3:23 pm to BhamDore
He is not saying Cam is better. He is saying if Cam was truly committed he could be great. The problem is, he's a goof ball.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 5:03 pm to bayoucracka
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Lulz! 3 playoff appearances in his first 3 years with a team that was 2-14 before he arrived.
Must be nice to play more than 1/3 of your games every year against the Titans, Jaguars, and Texans.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 5:12 pm to beatbammer
If luck wasn't in the Afc south he would be called a bust by now (which I would disagree with). He is a good qb but he is what 17-2 against the worst division in football and 16-17 against everyone else.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 5:15 pm to BhamDore
quote:The thing is, at least Andrew Luck has weapons...
Its a push between he and Cam. Cam has a higher ceiling, but will never reach it.
Indy and Carolina both have terrible lines, Jonathan Stewart and Frank Gore are basically a wash, but Andrew Luck has much, much better weapons out wide. Donte Moncrief, Andre Johnson TY Hilton and Phillip Dorsett are way better than Ted Ginn Jr, Philly Brown, Devin Funchess and Jerocho Cotchery.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 5:16 pm to JabarkusRussell
quote:OR, you know, the fact that he has one of the worst supporting casts in the NFL.
He is saying if Cam was truly committed he could be great. The problem is, he's a goof ball.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 5:16 pm to TTsTowel
People love to hate on Cam when he never had nearly the weapons Luck has.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 5:17 pm to BhamDore
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Cam has a higher ceiling
I agree that Luck has yet to break out, but this statement is absurd.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 5:19 pm to JumpingTheShark
I don't see how it's absurd. Cam is stronger, faster, more agile.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 5:25 pm to SabiDojo
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I don't see how it's absurd. Cam is stronger, faster, more agile.
I don't know enough to know whether Luck's ceiling is higher. I think people who do this for a living would say it is.
But, I do absolutely buy the argument that Cam has the higher ceiling on physical attributes. Cam Newton is the elite of the elite when it comes to raw talent of US pro athletes. Physically, he has no ceiling.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 5:26 pm to SabiDojo
quote:And he hasn't even been able to play with a good, or even average, supporting cast.
I don't see how it's absurd. Cam is stronger, faster, more agile.
Ted Ginn Jr, Philly Brown and Jericho Cotchery are his top 3 wide receivers for crying out loud...and Greg Olsen is BY FAR is #1 target.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 5:27 pm to TTsTowel
Yikes
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