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re: Andrew Luck is not Elite

Posted on 9/28/15 at 9:50 am to
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 9/28/15 at 9:50 am to
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If I'm taking the QB I want for the next 10 years, he's my guy.
Rodgers. His next 10 years will be far greater than Lucks
Posted by Bunk Moreland
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Posted on 9/28/15 at 9:54 am to
I don't know, man. This is my problem with Rodgers fanboys. They act like he is 25. I think he is going to be 32 in a few months. He has probably three years of ridiculous level left. I don't see him running around and slinging like this in five or six years.
Posted by shel311
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 9/28/15 at 9:54 am to
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Rodgers. His next 10 years will be far greater than Lucks
Yea, you're right.

I'll take 6 years of Rodgers at this level over 10 years of....well anything less.
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 9/28/15 at 9:55 am to
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He has probably three years of ridiculous level left. I don't see him running around and slinging like this in five or six years.
Brady/Brees/Manning have all had great seasons past, what, 36 or so?

And Rodgers is better than all of them. Even if he takes a slight step back, it's still going from the GOAT to, I don't know, top 5-10 ever production.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 9/28/15 at 9:55 am to
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I don't know, man. This is my problem with Rodgers fanboys. They act like he is 25. I think he is going to be 32 in a few months. He has probably three years of ridiculous level left. I don't see him running around and slinging like this in five or six years.
Rodgers is 31. He will be elite until 38(7 years), then very good for 2 or 3 more. Look at how Good Brady, Manning, and Brees were from 31-38. Rodgers will be even better
Posted by tigerclaws15
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 9/28/15 at 9:55 am to
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Every GM is wrong sometimes too in their valuations, that's not a good way to look at it.



while that is true, Cam has had more than enough time in this league to show you what he is. He is not the guy to lead your team to a superbowl, he can be a part of it but cant put a team on his back like Rodgers Brees etc. Luck can be that guy
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
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Posted on 9/28/15 at 9:56 am to
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Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 9/28/15 at 9:57 am to
I'll buy it, given the Manning comparisons. Brady is an outlier, though, with that short/quick passing system.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 9/28/15 at 9:58 am to
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Cam has had more than enough time in this league to show you what he is. He is not the guy to lead your team to a superbowl
Neither player has led their team to a SB, so I'm not sure how one has proven he can over the other.
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
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Posted on 9/28/15 at 9:58 am to
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Posted by shel311
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Posted on 9/28/15 at 9:59 am to
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Brady is an outlier, though, with that short/quick passing system
I was on the Brady is starting to really decline bandwagon. No clue how they've been able to be that good passing with Brady obviously and imperically not being very good at the deep ball any more.

Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
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Posted on 9/28/15 at 9:59 am to
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Posted by tigerclaws15
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:02 am to
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Neither player has led their team to a SB, so I'm not sure how one has proven he can over the other.



Luck was one game away with a pitiful defense and trent richardson.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:04 am to
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Steve Smith was better than any weapon Luck has had.

"The Cam had/has no weapons" narrative is bs.

Luck's #1 is a #2 on most NFL teams and #3 on a few.

AJ is toast and Wayne was also old too.

The Colts OL is hot garbage and to not protect your #1 investment is a yuuuuge mistake by that organization.


Do you think TY Hilton is a bum or something?
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:05 am to
The talent around Luck has been extremely overrated since he's been there. I like TY Hilton but I don't think he should be a #1 WR. They don't have a running game and Luck gets hit more than any QB in the league, which is saying something because Matt Ryan got pummeled the last two years behind a horrid OL. Indianapolis would have been picking near the top 5 in the last two years if Luck wasn't there. Instead they made the divisional round and AFCCG.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95129 posts
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:06 am to
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Luck can be that guy
23, 11,22 turnovers first 3 seasons, and 8 thru 3 games this year. He hasnt proven to me yet he can be that guy
Posted by LooseCannon22282
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Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:06 am to
the thing about the Colts that stands out to me most so far is that their GM is a clown.

andre johnson is done, why did they bring him in?

why draft Dorsett if you were fixing to pay up to keep Hilton? Moncrief might have something though so they could be good there.

if all of these other QB's are getting nice money deals I'd like to see what Luck's will be. Their salary cap will be tilted into the offense when they could use some help on defense.

This post was edited on 9/28/15 at 10:08 am
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110822 posts
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:07 am to
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Luck was one game away with a pitiful defense and trent richardson.
So if Newton won 1 more game in his career(2013 playoffs), that would change everything?

That's putting way too much stock into 1 game.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95129 posts
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:07 am to
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Indianapolis would have been picking near the top 5 in the last two years if Luck wasn't there. Instead they made the divisional round and AFCCG.
There is about 15 Qbs or so that would have won the NFC south on the Colts the last 2 years. They arent better than Luck neccessarily but they would have taken the South
Posted by tigerclaws15
Member since Jan 2007
3482 posts
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:10 am to
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So if Newton won 1 more game in his career(2013 playoffs), that would change everything?

That's putting way too much stock into 1 game.




he has done it in less years with a pitiful running game and no defense. Meanwhile, Cam had the best defense in the league, much better running game and oline.
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