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re: AL and NL MVP. Time to make your picks.

Posted on 10/1/17 at 10:59 pm to
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 10/1/17 at 10:59 pm to
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You mean how Judge has a UZR of 6.3 and DRS of 9. And Altuve has a UZR of -2.0 and a DRS of 3? Ok.

Astros fans hate defensive metrics.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 10/1/17 at 11:15 pm to
Okay, that's fair. I hope judge wins it. That's good for the Yankees. Good luck in the wild card.
Posted by Buckeye06
Member since Dec 2007
23118 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 8:41 am to
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Judge - 128 R
Altuve -112 R

This is the stat i'm seeing a lot of talking heads use to partially explain voting for Judge.


I'm not a huge baseball stat junkie, but is that a big difference over 162 games? it's 1 more time crossing home plate every 10 games right? Judge hits more HRs so it makes sense he would have more runs scored then right? He gets himself an R 50 times with just his HRs

Posted by rockchlkjayhku11
Cincinnati, OH
Member since Aug 2006
36450 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:27 am to
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Of course Votto found a way to cut down on Ks and increase his walks & power numbers

Possibly the most impressive part about his season. His walk to strikeout ratio is 1.61. Second best in the majors is Justin turner at 1.05.
This post was edited on 10/2/17 at 9:28 am
Posted by BornKjun
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2008
954 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:43 am to
The Astros are my team but I'll have no problem if Judge gets MVP.

The deciding factor is that Judge has more RBIs and scored more runs. Having more RBIs isn't a surprise but scoring more runs is.

If Altuve gets more hits and, thus, has a higher batting average plus steals a lot more bases plus hits 2nd or 3rd in the lineup of a team that over the course of the season is one of the best offenses in the game, how does Judge has Judge scored more runs?


However, Altuve is the better choice. Judge plays in Yankee stadium. He's hit 33 of his 52 HRs there. While not a lefty, it's still a hitters park. Minute Maid park is not a hitters park.

Altuve has a road ops of 1.018 and Judge has a road OPS of .935.

Altuve has 15 HRs on the road versus 19 for Judge.

Both have 46 RBIs on the road. Altuve has scored 10 (65 vs 55) more runs than Judge on the road.

Judge benefits from having a hitters home ballpark while Altuve suffers from the opposite.

Altuve > Judge in 2017
Posted by Buckeye06
Member since Dec 2007
23118 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:59 am to
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scoring more runs is


Not really. Hitting home runs is an automatic scored run. He hit 50, altuve hit 25, that's a difference of 25 runs right there
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278385 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 10:05 am to
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Judge benefits from having a hitters home ballpark while Altuve suffers from the opposite


What do the park adjusted numbers say
Posted by PearlJam
NotBeardEaves
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 10/2/17 at 10:07 am to
I think I would vote Altuve and Arenado. Judge and Arenado probably win.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278385 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 10:11 am to
Arenado isn't winning lol
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
101919 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 10:18 am to
Altuve & Stanton
Posted by 1ranter1
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2008
10396 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 10:22 am to
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What do the park adjusted numbers say


Judge OPS+ 171
Altuve OPS+ 165

Judge wRC+ 173
Altuve wRC+ 160


Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278385 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 10:23 am to
Gotta love Astro tards
Posted by rockchlkjayhku11
Cincinnati, OH
Member since Aug 2006
36450 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 10:38 am to
Why do those numbers matter for the AL and not the NL
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60152 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 10:41 am to
Judge and Trout both have excellent arguments for MVP I think along with Altuve. It should be very close between Altuve and Judge. I am biased and want Altuve to win but can't really be mad if Judge does
Posted by TheXman
Middle America
Member since Feb 2017
2975 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 10:43 am to
I'd go Altuve and Votto.

Even though Votto is on a terrible team, he's the best player in the league.
Posted by GoldenGuy
Member since Oct 2015
10875 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:05 am to
I'm an Astros fan, and would love for Altuve to get it. But looking at WAR in another light has me going with Judge. The Yanks probably would not be in the playoffs without him (assuming the 7.whatever Wins above replacement). Take value however you want, but it's not just Altuve who got the Astros this far.
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:19 am to
Altuve and Arenado
Posted by Bradbaxter
Member since May 2016
58 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:32 am to
Judge least clutch player on record

Judge did his damage more when the game was not on the line. Let's add context to those numbers.
Posted by PearlJam
NotBeardEaves
Member since Aug 2014
13908 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:33 am to
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Arenado isn't winning lol
Is it really laughable? Did you actually laugh at loud at the notion Arenado would win?
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278385 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:46 am to
When you have the hard numbers & park adjusted numbers over the other guy there isn't much argument

I assume you're taking votto v Stanton, it doesn't exactly stack up that way.
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