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re: 2011 Boston Celtics.......Greatest Celtic Team of all-time?
Posted on 2/9/11 at 10:00 am to jdam7459
Posted on 2/9/11 at 10:00 am to jdam7459
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Just by the number of championships, they don't compare at all. Plus, the league is more diluted now talent wise due to the six teams added between the final Bird/Parrish championship and the first and only 08-11 Celtics championship.
Diluted? They only add approx 48 spots and increase the talent pool by approx 2 billion people and the NBA is diluted?
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Posted on 2/9/11 at 10:02 am to IAmTheHatOnMilesHead
He should have legally changed his name.
Posted on 2/9/11 at 10:07 am to dukke v
Peejjj!!!!
Paul Pierce would totally break Larry Bird's ankles.....snap them like little twigs
Paul Pierce would totally break Larry Bird's ankles.....snap them like little twigs
Posted on 2/9/11 at 10:13 am to UFownstSECsince1950
Posted on 2/9/11 at 10:17 am to UFownstSECsince1950
Posted on 2/9/11 at 10:17 am to UFownstSECsince1950
You can't compare eras because the guys that come later have the benefit of decades' more knowledge about training, diet, etc. If you look at the guys from the 60's you say they couldn't play today but the guys from today wouldn't be as good in the 60's either because they'd have about 50 years' worth less knowledge.
There are 12 year old nerds who know more science than Leonardo Davinci did - does that make them better thinkers?
There are 12 year old nerds who know more science than Leonardo Davinci did - does that make them better thinkers?
Posted on 2/9/11 at 10:18 am to Them
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96 Bulls being the best team ever?
yessir
86 Celts, 85 Lakers and maybe even 83 76ers all > 96 Bulls
Posted on 2/9/11 at 10:54 am to theunknownknight
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Diluted?
So you mean to tell me that the league wouldn't be more competitive if there were less teams? Do you realize that 19 of the 26 NBA's longest losing streaks are post-1986? Less mediocre players in the league to be roster fillers. The lower echelon teams are just TERRIBLE. The Cavaliers are proving my point for me this year. They are roster fillers. They are an ALL-TIME team of terrible basketball.
Posted on 2/9/11 at 10:56 am to UFownstSECsince1950
Well, after being fouled hard by Parrish, Garnett would make that mean "tough" face he makes, and then Parrish would clothesline him, knocking him out of the game (Parrish would be ejected, of course).
So to compare the two teams, you can hardly count those two players since they would be out of the game two minues in.
Pierce has a habit of getting bumped and then falling and lying on the floor for 18 minutes at a time, pretending to be hurt and really really tough. Being that he would probably just blow by Bird anyway, this would confuse him. He would be forced to shoot a lot of middie jumpers, and he'd go cold. On the rare occasion where Bird did bump him, Pierce would fall to the floor, play dead, and not get the call because Bird never got called for that bullshite.
It all comes down to whether or not McHale can control the boards at this point.
So to compare the two teams, you can hardly count those two players since they would be out of the game two minues in.
Pierce has a habit of getting bumped and then falling and lying on the floor for 18 minutes at a time, pretending to be hurt and really really tough. Being that he would probably just blow by Bird anyway, this would confuse him. He would be forced to shoot a lot of middie jumpers, and he'd go cold. On the rare occasion where Bird did bump him, Pierce would fall to the floor, play dead, and not get the call because Bird never got called for that bullshite.
It all comes down to whether or not McHale can control the boards at this point.
Posted on 2/9/11 at 10:58 am to jdam7459
quote:No, he just means that the league isn't diluted. The talent pool has increased more than the number of teams has. The league is more saturated than it used to be.
So you mean to tell me that the league wouldn't be more competitive if there were less teams?
Posted on 2/9/11 at 11:14 am to jdam7459
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So you mean to tell me that the league wouldn't be more competitive if there were less teams?
If they cut the teams now, that would be obvious. But that's not what you said. You are comparing two different eras. In 1986, the global pool in which NBA talent was drafted/signed was probably about 5 times less than what it is now. Unless, of course, you are going to argue that NBA globalization and the total increase of basketball players in the USA has not increased since then. You're also not taking into account that the US population has increased by 30%, 70 million people since then.
Posted on 2/9/11 at 11:18 am to UFownstSECsince1950
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Paul Pierce would totally break Larry Bird's ankles.....snap them like little twigs
would he look anything like this when they carried him off the court?
Posted on 2/9/11 at 11:21 am to UFownstSECsince1950
I will take Bird's teams and Russell's teams over this squad. That is pretty impressive when you can say that this may be around the 10th-15th best Celtics team.
Posted on 2/9/11 at 11:23 am to Vicks Kennel Club
Saying this Celtics team is the best all-time is like saying 2010 Lakers are best of all-time. It just ain't so.
Posted on 2/9/11 at 11:43 am to theunknownknight
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But that's not what you said.
What I mean the talent is more spread out, not that there's less of it. Something's not adding up though. The league cannot be
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saturated
with talent when you have 6 teams that cannot win 30% of their games and 6 teams well above .500. IMO, if a saturation would exist, the league would be more competitive. You wouldn't have the best team having 35 more wins than the worst team. So, if in fact there is a saturation of talent (meaning there's more than enough to go around), then what is the cause of the lack of competition?
Posted on 2/9/11 at 11:50 am to UFownstSECsince1950
No, by the numbers.
But I think they would beat the Celtics teams of the '80s.
But I think they would beat the Celtics teams of the '80s.
Posted on 2/9/11 at 1:36 pm to jdam7459
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with talent when you have 6 teams that cannot win 30% of their games and 6 teams well above .500. IMO, if a saturation would exist, the league would be more competitive. You wouldn't have the best team having 35 more wins than the worst team. So, if in fact there is a saturation of talent (meaning there's more than enough to go around), then what is the cause of the lack of competition?
Are you serious? You do realize that talent increasing =/= everyone winning. Hypothetically, you could have nothing but HOF'ers playing in the NBA and you'd still have losing teams. Why? Because SOMEONE HAS TO LOSE.
Posted on 2/9/11 at 1:56 pm to H-Town Tiger
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86 Celts, 85 Lakers and maybe even 83 76ers all > 96 Bulls
Definitely debatable, but I'll take the team with MJ and Jud Buechler in a 7 game series everytime.
Posted on 2/9/11 at 1:57 pm to nvasil1
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Definitely debatable, but I'll take the team with MJ and Jud Buechler in a 7 game series everytime.
Bird trumps MJ in the playoffs. Magic + Kareem trump MJ in the playoffs.
Posted on 2/9/11 at 2:12 pm to theunknownknight
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Bird trumps MJ in the playoffs
Bird:
G 164, FG .472, RPG 10.0, APG 6.3, PPG 23.8, 3 rings, 2 Finals MVPs
Jordan:
G 179, FG .487, RPG 6.4, APG 5.7, PPG 33.4, 6 rings, 6 Finals MVPs
Tight playoff stats, but trumps?
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