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re: 1140 Yards, 11 Touchdowns, 0 Interceptions, beat Manning AND Brady on the road
Posted on 2/4/13 at 1:10 pm to LSUzealot
Posted on 2/4/13 at 1:10 pm to LSUzealot
I don't think it was an out of bounds hit.
The NFL is changing to more QB runs/scrambles. The Refs had to adapt, and now the QB protection outside the pocket isn't there unless you're a statue (Peyton/Brady).
The NFL is changing to more QB runs/scrambles. The Refs had to adapt, and now the QB protection outside the pocket isn't there unless you're a statue (Peyton/Brady).
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Posted on 2/4/13 at 1:12 pm to Baloo
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So its your plan that a team with playoff aspirations and no backup QB capable of starting, let their QB walk as he is in the middle of his prime, so they hope they can hit the draft QB lottery again and hit it.
well i honestly don't think he's THAT good and is more easily replaceable than you do. i think their success shows that they can win without a top QB (and more importantly, overpaying for a QB)
last year they were the #2 seed in the AFC, made the AFC title game, and were a dropped pass ad/or missed FG from the super bowl
with a QB who had less than an 81 QB rating
i think that y'all could find a similar QB for cheaper. that's my philosophy
he's about to eat up 1/6 of your cap
Posted on 2/4/13 at 1:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i hate matt ryan, but he's better than flacco by almost any objective, individual measure i'd imagine
Well, Mr. Team Stat, I reckon Matt Ryan's passing statistics would have a little something to do with Atlanta's receiving corps.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 1:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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he's about to eat up 1/6 of your cap
Yeah, ravens are fricked.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 1:18 pm to Patrick_Bateman
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reckon
Really?
And Matt Ryan's receivers don't have to come to a complete stop to catch the long ball. DBs are going to start playing this better.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 1:20 pm to DelU249
Vince Young has a winning record.
Sanchez beat Manning and Brady on the road in the playoffs and has a 4-2 playoff record.
Sanchez beat Manning and Brady on the road in the playoffs and has a 4-2 playoff record.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 1:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Can you name ONE great QB (past or present) who didn't/doesn't have a good W/L ratio.
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archie manning
Career statistics. 55.2 completion percentage, 158 YPG, 125 TDs, 173 INTs, 67.1 QBR. Record as starter: 35-101-3, which is the worst ever for a QB with at least 100 starts.
Try again.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 1:23 pm to Patrick_Bateman
Define what a good winning percentage is and I can definitely provide you with one, and he was nasty.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 1:25 pm to Patrick_Bateman
You haven't answered this yet:
If they franchise him, he gets 14.6 million--but another team can get him by dealing 2 #1s. If he's elite, as some here claim, then someone is bound to do that, right? To prevent that, they can put the Exclusive Franchise Tag on him, which would pay him over 20 million next year, unless members of the top five redo their deals. To top five right now are Brady, the Mannings, Stafford, and Big Ben. I can see three, maybe four of those guys redoing their deals, in addition to guys like Brees and maybe Rodgers. Still, he'd be looking at around 18-20 million with the Exclusive deal.
Now, do you think Flacco is worth 18-20 million next year?
If they franchise him, he gets 14.6 million--but another team can get him by dealing 2 #1s. If he's elite, as some here claim, then someone is bound to do that, right? To prevent that, they can put the Exclusive Franchise Tag on him, which would pay him over 20 million next year, unless members of the top five redo their deals. To top five right now are Brady, the Mannings, Stafford, and Big Ben. I can see three, maybe four of those guys redoing their deals, in addition to guys like Brees and maybe Rodgers. Still, he'd be looking at around 18-20 million with the Exclusive deal.
Now, do you think Flacco is worth 18-20 million next year?
Posted on 2/4/13 at 1:26 pm to Sophandros
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Vince Young has a winning record.
Then he must've been a decent QB during his time.
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Sanchez beat Manning and Brady on the road in the playoffs and has a 4-2 playoff record.
Hence, "It is not the sole determinant of a QB's value (obviously)." No one's saying Sanchez is a good QB, but his playoff record certainly doesn't hurt his cause.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 1:30 pm to Sophandros
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Now, do you think Flacco is worth 18-20 million next year?
Not quite. More like $15-16M maybe. I'm not really up-to-date on NFL salaries, so I'm not really sure what he's worth exactly. But he deserves to be paid like a top 7 QB.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 1:33 pm to Patrick_Bateman
It shouldn't be any kind of determining factor.
Coaches get paid to win, their value is determined on how often they do that.
QBs get paid to play quarterback, their value is determined on how well they do that.
At no point was he a decent quarterback.
Coaches get paid to win, their value is determined on how often they do that.
QBs get paid to play quarterback, their value is determined on how well they do that.
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Then he must've been a decent QB during his time.
At no point was he a decent quarterback.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 1:43 pm to DelU249
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QBs get paid to play quarterback, their value is determined on how well they do that.
A team's win-loss record depends in large part on how well the QB plays.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 1:47 pm to Patrick_Bateman
That can be said of any position. While the QB is the most important player, great QB play =/= success on the field
There are awesome QBs with mediocre w/l records and shitty to mediocre QBs with awesome records.
There are awesome QBs with mediocre w/l records and shitty to mediocre QBs with awesome records.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 1:51 pm to Sophandros
You also know players don't get paid what they are worth. They get what they can demand. In free agency, with about half of the league in need of a QB, Flacco will certainly get that 15 million. I don't like the Ravens options, but Super Bowl caliber teams in the NFL require, at minimum, a top 10 QB. Flacco barely meets that threshold.
If he walks, the Ravens draft a rookie and pray or get another QB on the open market in the hopes of going 8-8. Suddenly, Matt Flynn becomes their best option. But, if he walks, you have decided to become a rebuilding team. Make no mistake. You've decided to be a bad to mediocre team.
Re-signing Flacco carries huge risk as well, but it leaves the window open. It might not work, and you still have to re-sign Kruger, but it is the only option on the table which includes the Ravens as a possible playoff team.
This sucks. Franchise him. Then pray someone gives you those two first rounders for him instead. Quarterbacks are worth over the market value. That's the economics of the NFL.
If he walks, the Ravens draft a rookie and pray or get another QB on the open market in the hopes of going 8-8. Suddenly, Matt Flynn becomes their best option. But, if he walks, you have decided to become a rebuilding team. Make no mistake. You've decided to be a bad to mediocre team.
Re-signing Flacco carries huge risk as well, but it leaves the window open. It might not work, and you still have to re-sign Kruger, but it is the only option on the table which includes the Ravens as a possible playoff team.
This sucks. Franchise him. Then pray someone gives you those two first rounders for him instead. Quarterbacks are worth over the market value. That's the economics of the NFL.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 2:02 pm to Baloo
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But, if he walks, you have decided to become a rebuilding team. Make no mistake. You've decided to be a bad to mediocre team.
i don't know. take alex smith. he played a full year last year with a 90+ rating. he led a defensive/running team to his conference title. he's cheaper and will likely be available. you wouldn't be "Bad" if you got hime
losing lewis/reed are going to be as big. boldin is going to leave soon, too. losing your 2 leaders may make you mediocre regardless
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but it is the only option on the table which includes the Ravens as a possible playoff team.
debateable. if smith were available, he'd give the a shot. flynn is less than 50/50
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Franchise him. Then pray someone gives you those two first rounders for him instead.
that is the ideal scenario, imho
Posted on 2/4/13 at 2:05 pm to Baloo
I agree with everything you said. You can't let him walk and hope to find another QB.
He will be rewarded & has the upper hand in all negotiations. Pay him like Eli got paid, at least you know when it matters he won't fold.
Also it's worth mentioning that he has never really had great WR weapons around him thru the years. Torrey Smith emergence & Caldwell switch up at OC really had him looking like a different QB. Also Boldin kind of fell off for a minute there. I think he has the chance to actually get better.
He will be rewarded & has the upper hand in all negotiations. Pay him like Eli got paid, at least you know when it matters he won't fold.
Also it's worth mentioning that he has never really had great WR weapons around him thru the years. Torrey Smith emergence & Caldwell switch up at OC really had him looking like a different QB. Also Boldin kind of fell off for a minute there. I think he has the chance to actually get better.
This post was edited on 2/4/13 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 2/4/13 at 2:10 pm to Lester Earl
I think Eli is the perfect comp. Eli is a better than average QB with an inflated rep due to the Super Bowl rings. But, he exceeds the minimum standard for what a legit contender needs at QB. You cannot skimp at the QB position and win.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 2:13 pm to Lester Earl
at some point boldin is going to fall off i'd imagine. i think it will be quick. he's just getting old
Posted on 2/4/13 at 2:14 pm to Baloo
in eli's defense, he did have a great year in 2011. almost 5k yards and a 90+ rating
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