re: 1140 Yards, 11 Touchdowns, 0 Interceptions, beat Manning AND Brady on the road

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He played just as well in the playoffs as Brees did in 09. To say he just played "well" is a pretty big understatement.

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His post-season performance this year no doubt deserves $20million. The question becomes that once you pay him $20million, will the loss in value at other positions bc of the contract be small emough to bring you back to a super bowl? Can flacco at $20 million bring a team to a super bowl?

I think the answer is no.

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Dan fouts

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Never saw him play personally, so I can only look up his statistics. Certainly not the best record, I'll admit, but he was over .500 for his career (86-84-1). And his TD:INT ratio was barely 1 (i.e., he threw basically as as many INTs as TDs).

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Your confusing certainty with correlation

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A very, very strong correlation.

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He's not going to consistently give you that performance during the regular season or at the very least hasn't shown that he can.

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Well you said you didn't think Flacco could do it despite having just done it. You didn't say consistently in your original statement, but he has consistently made it to the playoffs and won. His previous two postseasons he was also very good. His regular season numbers could be better, but the Ravens have been a running team for a long time.

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Brees, Brady, Manning and Rodgers are putting up great numbers and doing so consistently with meh talent at WR/RB. Thats worth $20 million.

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I would say all those guys have better WRs/TEs than Flacco does. Especially when you take previous years into account. Ravens do have the better running game though.

Ozzie Newsome deserves the most praise, not Joe Flacco . He put competent players at almost every position on that Baltimore team. Joe Flacco's success is a byproduct of that.

People want to harp on his success, most notably his playoff success. Look at his stats.. QB ratings of 59, 10, 18, 61, 48. Sure, he played well this postseason and beat some good defenses.



Even still, his 86 playoff QB rating would have tied Cam Newtwon for 15th overall this past season. His 55% completion percentage would fall 29th this season, one spot behind Jake Locker. He has 2 300 yard games out of 13. 4 games he threw 0 TDs, and 2 games he threw 1 TD.

Has Joe Flacco led teams had success? Sure. Has he "won" the games? Meh. Without Jacoby Jones he isnt a Super Bowl winning QB.

If Kaepernick gets his team into the endzone at the end, does that change his legacy and his perceived accomplishments?

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his 86 playoff QB rating would have tied Cam Newtwon for 15th overall this past season

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Regular season =/= postseason. That's an interesting stat to bring up. Let's compare some current and former NFL QBs to Joe Flacco's career postseason QB rating of 86.2 (through 13 games). Tom Brady's is 87.4 (24 games), Peyton Manning's is 88.4 (20 games), Eli Manning's is 89.3 (11 games), Roethlisberger's is 83.7 (14 games), Steve Young's is 85.8 (20 games), Dan Marino's is 77.1 (18 games), Terry Bradshaw's is 83.0 (19 games).

Pretty good company, I'd say. And that's only through his first 5 seasons! If Flacco plays only 8 more seasons and maintains his current pace of playoff success (a big "if"), he will have played in and won more playoff games than anyone on that list!

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People want to harp on his success, most notably his playoff success. Look at his stats.. QB ratings of 59, 10, 18, 61, 48. Sure, he played well this postseason and beat some good defenses.

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Seems sort of silly to even talk about years 1 and 2 of his career

Over the past 2 post seasons he has had over 95 QB rating in every game

And over the past 3 he has only had one poor rating game against Pittsburgh

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Regular season =/= postseason. That's an interesting stat to bring up. Let's compare some current and former NFL QBs to Joe Flacco's career postseason QB rating of 86.2 (through 13 games). Tom Brady's is 87.4 (24 games), Peyton Manning's is 88.4 (20 games), Eli Manning's is 89.3 (11 games), Roethlisberger's is 83.7 (14 games), Steve Young's is 85.8 (20 games), Dan Marino's is 77.1 (18 games), Terry Bradshaw's is 83.0 (19 games).

Pretty good company, I'd say. And that's only through his first 5 seasons! If Flacco plays only 8 more seasons and maintains his current pace of playoff success (a big "if"), he will have played in and won more playoff games than anyone on that list!

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I wasn't comparing his QB Rating to anyone else. I was just saying he has been mediocre in the playoffs and his team deserves more credit.

I also don't think success in the playoffs means you're a good QB. Mark Sanchez has a 94 QB Rating in the playoffs and is 4-2.

As for the guys you listed, Brady had a QB rating of 90 and 3 SB rings in his first 13 playoff games.

Manning is a notorious playoff choker.

Flacco is probably on Eli and Ben's level.

The other guys are different eras.

Either way, those guys have played more playoff games. They have also proved to be the best QBs in the regular season consistently. We are talking 10+ years as a top 3 QB for most of those guys. Flacco is generally ranked outside the top 10 in all regular season statistics.

Warren Moon is one game over. 500.

Is he merely mediocre?

How about Ken Anderson?

Ken Andersen was awesome and was yay close to beating Montana and the niners in the SB. He held the record for single season completion percentage for almost 30 years until Brees broke it. He isn't in the HOF because he played for
The bengals and he had a horrible porn stache

Also, if you look at those playoff performances, it's pretty clear there's a dividing line there. In his first two seasons, Flacco was just a guy keeping the lights on. IN the past three seasons, he's been one of the prime reasons for the success. In the past three years, he's only had one poor game in the playoffs. So, yeah, I think it's fair to use Flacco's playoff success in his favor.