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re: 1140 Yards, 11 Touchdowns, 0 Interceptions, beat Manning AND Brady on the road
Posted on 2/4/13 at 9:39 am to PurpleAndGold86
Posted on 2/4/13 at 9:39 am to PurpleAndGold86
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I think he is a top 8 QB.
ok
why did a top 8 QB play 6-7 spots lower than that during the 16 game sample of the regular season?
same question applies
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Posted on 2/4/13 at 9:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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can you answer why he was so mediocre for 16 games?
Again, using the W/L statistic (I know it's not your favorite), he wasn't mediocre at all during the regular season. He won his division. He - and the rest of his team - did what was necessary to earn the team a playoff berth, then he elevated his game (as was necessary) to avoid losing a playoff game. Now he's Superbowl champion.
ETA: Maybe he played down to his competition in the regular season? Who knows? In the end, he must've done something right, because they won their division (one of the tougher ones in the league IMO). For the second straight season.
This post was edited on 2/4/13 at 9:42 am
Posted on 2/4/13 at 9:41 am to OneMoreTime
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So do you think that his talent level is closer to how he played in the playoffs or how he played in the regular season?
Not sure I understand your question. Obviously he has the talent to play like he has in the playoffs or else he wouldn't have been able to perform at this high of a level. Clearly the guy has talent. Rodgers probably has the best arm in the game. This guy is right behind him on that front. The OL played lights out in the post season and he had time to sit back there and survey the field in the post season. If his OL plays well, I don't see any reason why he wouldn't be capable of playing like a top 7 or 8 QB in the league.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 9:42 am to Patrick_Bateman
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Again, using the W/L statistic (I know it's not your favorite),
wins and losses are team stats. it has nothing to do about me preferring it. flacco is 1/22 starters (not counting STs)
Posted on 2/4/13 at 9:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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why did a top 8 QB play 6-7 spots lower than that
Where are you getting this 15 ranking from? What statistical category are you using to determine this?
I'm not sure how to be anymore clear. Who cares about the regular season as long as you make it to the post season? You don't need a regular season MVP at QB. If the guy gets in the playoffs (Which he has every single year in the league) and then wins in the playoffs, who cares?
Posted on 2/4/13 at 9:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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wins and losses are team stats
I also use them in my evaluation/judgment of QBs. The quarterback position has, by far, more influence over W/L's than any other position in football. As such, it is an important consideration in evaluating the position. IMO
This post was edited on 2/4/13 at 9:45 am
Posted on 2/4/13 at 9:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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wins and losses are team stats.
Yes the team deserves credit, but they are still discussed on an individual basis when discussing QBs, pitchers, and goalies. I would still like to know how a pitcher, who in the American League doesn't even bat, has more control over the outcome of a game than a QB.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 9:46 am to PurpleAndGold86
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Where are you getting this 15 ranking from? What statistical category are you using to determine this?
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let me just put this in perspective
joe flacco was the 12th rated passer in the NFL this year
his completion rate was 18th
his ypa was 14th
he was 25th in ESPN's total QBR
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Who cares about the regular season as long as you make it to the post season?
it's a 16 game sample of play. it's a much bigger sample than the playoffs so it will give a better picture
teams get hot for small stretches. luck has a bigger effect in small samples.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 9:47 am to Patrick_Bateman
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I also use them in my evaluation/judgment of QBs.
you shouldn't
Posted on 2/4/13 at 9:48 am to PurpleAndGold86
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but they are still discussed on an individual basis when discussing QBs, pitchers, and goalies
by lazy thinkers
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I would still like to know how a pitcher, who in the American League doesn't even bat, has more control over the outcome of a game than a QB.
a pitcher has the ability to completely control the defensive side of a baseball game
you can have a literally perfect QB, and he would still require a good OL (5 guys) and at least 1 good WR to do much
a perfect pitcher would shut down an opposing offense. same with a perfect goalie
Posted on 2/4/13 at 9:50 am to PurpleAndGold86
quote:A pitcher can control the whole defensive portion of the game while a QB cannot control the whole offense by himself. Pretty simple.
I would still like to know how a pitcher, who in the American League doesn't even bat, has more control over the outcome of a game than a QB.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 9:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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it's a 16 game sample of play. it's a much bigger sample than the playoffs so it will give a better picture
teams get hot for small stretches. luck has a bigger effect in small samples
Ok, but again who cares about the regular season statistics? If the guy plays well enough to win 9-11 games every season and gets in the playoffs and then finds a way to play OUTSTANDING and wins the Super Bowl then I think that has to count for something. We wills see if he can keep it going next season with no Ray Lewis and possibly Ed Reed.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 9:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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a pitcher has the ability to completely control the defensive side of a baseball game
So the pitcher can control a shortstop booting a groundball? Or an ourfielder taking a bad angle on a fly ball and it turning into a double? Or how about a bad bounce or the wall? To say a pitcher can control the whole defensive side of a game is completely 100% incorrect.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 9:53 am to OneMoreTime
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A pitcher can control the whole defensive portion of the game while a QB cannot control the whole offense by himself. Pretty simple.
Pretty simply, you are completely wrong.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 9:53 am to PurpleAndGold86
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but again who cares about the regular season statistics?
anyone who wants to objectively judge players should
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If the guy plays well enough to win 9-11 games every season and gets in the playoffs and then finds a way to play OUTSTANDING and wins the Super Bowl then I think that has to count for something.
that's basically saying we should judge QBs on who gets the luckiest and hottest for a short span
it's the problem with "playoff thinking" as i call it. games are games are games. the rules don't change in the playoffs (unless you're the NBA)
Posted on 2/4/13 at 9:54 am to PurpleAndGold86
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So the pitcher can control a shortstop booting a groundball?
a pitcher can ensure no groundballs occur
Posted on 2/4/13 at 9:54 am to Patrick_Bateman
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I also use them in my evaluation/judgment of QBs. The quarterback position has, by far, more influence over W/L's than any other position in football. As such, it is an important consideration in evaluating the position. IMO
You keep coming back to the w/l and how important it is in judging a qb. What would your opinion be of Flacco if BAL loses against DEN???
You are basically saying that Flacco is worth more than Manning bc of the play by Rahim Moore.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 9:55 am to PurpleAndGold86
No, I'm not.
quote:yep
a pitcher can ensure no groundballs occur
This post was edited on 2/4/13 at 9:55 am
Posted on 2/4/13 at 9:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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that's basically saying we should judge QBs on who gets the luckiest
So Flacco throwing for 1,140 yards with 11 TDs and 0 interceptions in the last 4 games was luck? They played 20 games this year. Those 4 games make up 20% of the games they played this year.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 9:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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a pitcher can ensure no groundballs occur
This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my entire life. No they can't. Even the best sinker ball pitchers in the game are going to give up fly balls. No pitcher can ensure that no groundballs will hit during a game. This is so wrong.
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