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re: Weekly Stock Market Plays/Thoughts - March/April

Posted on 3/27/17 at 9:44 am to
Posted by dabigfella
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 9:44 am to
I'll say this YNLVR, with how heavily shorted Tesla is, if this thing can get over all time highs, which is like $20 away, it could have a MASSIVE squeeze.
Posted by ynlvr
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 9:45 am to
Yes, we see it. Were you in it before this morning?
Posted by Navajo61490
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 9:46 am to
bought a few thousand shares a couple weeks ago

ETA not much but doesnt hurt to let others know
This post was edited on 3/27/17 at 9:47 am
Posted by ynlvr
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 9:48 am to
It's got a bucket load of non-believers. Set up for blood in the streets if this thing runs. Any good news coming out on the Model 3 production will propel it. No more battery blowups.
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 9:58 am to
I was one of the bears early on and was initially of the train of thought of well they're dead when the big boys enter the space. Then after tons and tons of research and reading, I've come to the conclusion the big boys simply cannot compete anytime soon.
The thing is, if you look at the Chevy Bolt, they're already discounting it for starters, up to $5k off

LINK

Meanwhile Tesla has people putting $1k deposits multiple years in advance, says alot about demand. Then you look at GM, they had to make that deal with LG to buy the batteries, like Tesla did with panasonic, well LG could only supply 3 GWH annually, which in the scope of things is nominal, potentially 30-50k bolts at most. Meanwhile Tesla gigafactory will soon be making more batteries than the whole world put together.

I think the big thing is BEV's require minimal service, so the profits are made on initial sales which means those with the cheapest batteries will win. Right now Tesla is below the $145 kw/hr that GM is paying for the bolt and Elon said they will be sub $100 kw/hr soon which is a huge advantage. The current car business model as evidence by Mercedes with $140B in sales and $8B net profit is to sell cars to a franchisee who profits and then when cars come back for service, the big company profits selling parts. Well what happens when electric cars like a Tesla have 18 moving parts and not much breaks? Then when it does break, Tesla has a monopoly on service? The fact of the matter is big auto has too much invested in the ICE and with that much inertia going one way, its going to be tough to focus on BEV production.

Then we can look further into the future, the tesla supercharging network is all over the world, its really incredible, GM doesn't even have 1 out there. So you buy a Tesla you can drive New York to Los Angeles free of charge stopping at Tesla superchargers and filling up for free. If you had a bolt you couldn't make that trip for free and would have to find random charging stations all over the country if they even exist. I think Long term these tesla charging stations turn into refilling networks that charge non teslas.

Again the auto market is 80m cars/year now, tesla just sold 88,000. They sold more $100k cars than any brand last year, if you, like me think well if the $100k cars are selling, then surely the $30-50k cars will too. If you believe that you have to believe in lots of growth long term and at very high margins. The books are ugly now but thats bc of how much they're investing back into the company.

Musk himself said the energy business would grow faster than cars, and now solar roof orders begin next month. He says $1 trillion market cap one day, its at $40B now, even with 100% dilution thats still 12x your money, and maybe more if they can control dilution which the recent secondary showed they could. It's easy to be a bear, but thats my thesis on why its going much higher.
This post was edited on 3/27/17 at 10:01 am
Posted by ynlvr
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 10:16 am to
I LOVE their energy business. They may just crack the energy grid problem with a Powerwall-like product. Southern CA Edison is getting in bed with power storage systems. Currently none of these systems survive without government subsidy, but Tesla's unconventional problem solving could break through.
Posted by ynlvr
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 10:18 am to
quote:

Navajo61490


I'll play with you. In RNN @ $49

Edit: If you got in before 3/10 you are raking it in!
This post was edited on 3/27/17 at 10:25 am
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
6687 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 10:19 am to
Yea people always bitch about tesla subsidies, how many subsidies does big oil get? It's ridiculous when people whine about what alternative energy subsidies get. I'm so heavily invested in oil from my day to day business that it can't hurt me to have a big hedge via tesla
Posted by Navajo61490
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Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 10:29 am to
quote:


I'll play with you. In RNN @ $49

Edit: If you got in before 3/10 you are raking it in!




they should be announcing different phase results mid April on the drugs they are testing right now with potential fast tracking. getting in now is still a steal
This post was edited on 3/27/17 at 10:30 am
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 10:37 am to
wynn has been incredibly strong, got down to 110 today already back up to almost 114
This post was edited on 3/27/17 at 10:38 am
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
6687 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:48 pm to
YNLVR, think of tesla as an emerging HaaS play, thats how I see it, possibly hardware as a service with a fleet of autonomous cars. You have to remember their lead in data is astronomical at this point and growing by the second with tesla cars driving around. Think about all the software brainpower at ford,gm,volvo, etc and laugh for a second at the concept of them coming up and competing with basically a silicon valley software company that happens to build cars.
Posted by ynlvr
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:26 pm to
I apply similar thinking to TSLA as GOOGL. I just can't see not being in these stocks given their expertise in the fields of Information, AI & Robotics. I realize there are many smaller specialized players but I feel those smaller competitors will ultimately bend the knee to the bigger guys with the staying power.

Google's mission statement is: "To organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful."

The mission of parent company Alphabet is multifaceted but can be broken down to: "Getting more ambitious things done, ...empowering great entrepreneurs and companies to flourish ... [and] as a result of all this, improving the lives of as many people as we can."
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
6687 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:48 pm to
Tesla looks hell bent on new ATH's what a move today in this red market!!!!
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:35 pm to
fyi that late day push just pushed Tesla past Ford in terms of market cap
Posted by ynlvr
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:42 pm to
Pretty incredible.
Posted by leoj
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 7:57 pm to
Wonder how the raiders will affect this stock and Vegas in general
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 6:27 am to
Ynlvr u see tencent took a large stake in tesla recently? Up nicely premarket I hate these gaps they always fill
Posted by ynlvr
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:14 am to
Absolutely positive news from tencent. And Tencent stock has been on a rocket - about 25% up last ninety days, 40% one year return. I like the vote of confidence. So does the market.
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:23 am to
ya hard to call tesla a car company anymore like the bears do. Since when do $250 billion dollar tech companies invest in car companies lie ford or gm. Like I said earlier in this thread, the mobileye buyout at $15 billion meant tesla needed a drastic repricing higher

are my downvotes from you AUPH bagholders??? I see its headed right back for that secondary price as we speak I notice bayou bengals quit posting in here, guess there were no more penny stocks to discuss. Sorry for whoever followed the school teacher on his penny stock endeavor. If you want good advice, the 2 I laid out on page 1 and 2 of this thread were Tesla and Wynn and both soared over 10% in the following weeks, then I posted ACHC a couple pages back and it promptly soard 10-12%..... call it gloating, call it whatever you want, I didn't lead anyone down the path of bagholding
This post was edited on 3/28/17 at 8:28 am
Posted by bayoubengals88
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Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:29 am to
You're an insufferable arse. That's why downvotes rain on you...and rarely are they mine.
I've been busy planning a trip west. Enjoy WYNN, and leave me out of this. I plan on starting an AUPH thread. It's better for others to buy low. Adding more this morning.
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