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Thoughts on the Vanguard Target Retirement 2045 Fund (VTIVX)

Posted on 8/17/11 at 9:53 am
Posted by Hammond Tiger Fan
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Posted on 8/17/11 at 9:53 am
I'm trying to reposition most of my money in my IRA into a diversified mutual fund. I have a small amount in this fund right now. I've been playing around with ETF's and that's where the bulk of this fund's cash is housed. But now, I'm tired of playing around with it and just want to park a good portion in a good long term performing mutual fund. I purchased VTIVX a few months back just to see how it was. So, I wanted the MT thoughts on this fund as well as suggestions on others I can look into, preferrable Vanguard but I'm open to others if they are good long term funds.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 8/17/11 at 10:02 am to
I have my IRA in that one exactly. It's down a good bit now so good time to get in. (as everything else is too)
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
26248 posts
Posted on 8/17/11 at 10:36 am to
Definitely a good fund for my age group ... the 25to30-year old crowd. great/simple/easy place to stash the bulk of your retirement savings

I approve.
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 8/17/11 at 12:04 pm to
Probably the best choice if you don't want to manage your own finances.

If you hire an FA and he puts you in it, kick him in the throat then take your money elsewhere.

If you look at your portfolio monthly, or more often, you can probably do better on your own by reading a few books.
Posted by saint308
LA
Member since Oct 2010
496 posts
Posted on 8/17/11 at 12:30 pm to
Some good core holdings are PRPFX, HSTRX, GLRBX.
Posted by urinetrouble
Member since Oct 2007
20507 posts
Posted on 8/17/11 at 9:51 pm to
I just bought some of the 2050 fund last week.

Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 8/17/11 at 11:10 pm to
My biggest beef with these is the amount of fees hidden by layering. It looks like a low cost fund, but in reality, is incurring notable fees by it's sub investments.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 8/18/11 at 12:03 am to
I'm in that fund now...it is a good choice especially if you don't have the time to manage that sort of thing on your own.
This post was edited on 8/18/11 at 12:04 am
Posted by onelochevy
Slidell, LA
Member since Jan 2011
16531 posts
Posted on 8/18/11 at 7:06 am to
whats the difference between the different vanguard targets (2040, 2045, 2035 & 2050)? Would it be better to have all of my 401k contributions going into one of these rather than 4 different ones?
This post was edited on 8/18/11 at 7:07 am
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
25339 posts
Posted on 8/18/11 at 8:28 am to
The 2040 and later ones are heavier into stocks now, and in about 15 years starts shifting into corporate bonds and US treasuries. The different funds are managed with those different targets in mind.

I haven't been working long enough to accumulate that much money yet, but I have some in the 2050 for longer term and VWINX for medium term....and I manage most short term investments personally the same way you probably do.
This post was edited on 8/18/11 at 8:32 am
Posted by urinetrouble
Member since Oct 2007
20507 posts
Posted on 8/18/11 at 7:01 pm to
quote:

My biggest beef with these is the amount of fees hidden by layering. It looks like a low cost fund, but in reality, is incurring notable fees by it's sub investments.


What fees? The expense ratio of the target date fund is just a weighted expense ratio of the funds within the the fund. So, you aren't really paying for rebalancing and the changing asset allocation with the course of time.
Posted by OH 58D
Dothan, AL
Member since Nov 2008
6591 posts
Posted on 8/18/11 at 7:15 pm to
quote:

My biggest beef with these is the amount of fees hidden by layering. It looks like a low cost fund, but in reality, is incurring notable fees by it's sub investments.


Posted by Fat Bastard
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Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 8/18/11 at 9:32 pm to
i am not a big fan of these types of funds mainly because I manage my own portfolio. It may be right for you though if you do not have the time.
This post was edited on 8/19/11 at 6:18 am
Posted by purpgoldblood
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Member since Oct 2005
1147 posts
Posted on 8/19/11 at 2:04 pm to
you pay Vanguard $25/fund/year to manage these funds, so the more funds you're in the higher the fees, as simple as that
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 8/19/11 at 2:06 pm to
quote:

whats the difference between the different vanguard targets (2040, 2045, 2035 & 2050)? Would it be better to have all of my 401k contributions going into one of these rather than 4 different ones?


Just pick the one that is closest to your target retirement date and put it all in that one. They diversify for you.
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 8/19/11 at 2:09 pm to
quote:

What fees? The expense ratio of the target date fund is just a weighted expense ratio of the funds within the the fund. So, you aren't really paying for rebalancing and the changing asset allocation with the course of time.


Really

I looked at the fees of some of the underlying funds in the 2050 fund and they were considerably higher than the listed fee. If what you say is true, I might switch my IRA to 50% that and 25% foreign large cap and emerging small cap.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 8/19/11 at 5:24 pm to
quote:

you pay Vanguard $25/fund/year to manage these funds, so the more funds you're in the higher the fees, as simple as that


link???

i pay no annual fees on my roth. vanguards expense ratios are very good and much cheaper than many other fund families.
This post was edited on 8/19/11 at 5:27 pm
Posted by TheOcean
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 8/19/11 at 5:51 pm to
so what are the fees for these funds? Can I include several funds and pay the same amt?
Posted by urinetrouble
Member since Oct 2007
20507 posts
Posted on 8/19/11 at 6:37 pm to
quote:

you pay Vanguard $25/fund/year to manage these funds, so the more funds you're in the higher the fees, as simple as that



I am pretty sure any account maintenance fees are waived if you opt to receive electronic statements.
Posted by urinetrouble
Member since Oct 2007
20507 posts
Posted on 8/19/11 at 6:39 pm to
quote:

Really

I looked at the fees of some of the underlying funds in the 2050 fund and they were considerably higher than the listed fee. If what you say is true, I might switch my IRA to 50% that and 25% foreign large cap and emerging small cap.


I called Vanguard to ask the question before I bought recently.
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