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re: The butthurt is Strong: CFA L1 Failure is Super Salty

Posted on 8/25/16 at 8:51 pm to
Posted by RocktownHog52
Little Rock
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 8/25/16 at 8:51 pm to
I looked at passage rates.

Only 41% of people who take the MCAT and apply to med school get in.

However, the passage rates of the Step 1, 2, and 3 are in the mid to high 90s for MD programs, low 90s for DO programs, and in the 70s for international programs. So, pretty high pass rate. Then again, over half of the original applicants have already been cut before Step 1.
Posted by BearsFan
Member since Mar 2016
1283 posts
Posted on 8/25/16 at 9:13 pm to
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However, the passage rates of the Step 1, 2, and 3 are in the mid to high 90s for MD programs,


Seems like great odds on paper, until you factor in the fact that passing isn't the only objective.

Someone applying for an ultra-competitive residency very well may be devastated if his or her score comes back simply above average.

As far as the OP is concerned, he may very well be correct in stating that the CFA exams are the worst around (I can't agree or disagree simply because I don't know much about those exams). I just disagree with the notion that the USMLEs, specialty boards, and the bar exam can be taken multiple times with few repercussions.
Posted by barry
Location, Location, Location
Member since Aug 2006
50337 posts
Posted on 8/25/16 at 9:55 pm to
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What do the three levels of these exams look like?


Exam 1: 240 multiple choice questions. A mix of all the topics below
Exam 2: 120 multiple choice questions, 20 vignettes with 6 questions each on the topics below again. Except insanely deeper dive. Like INSANELY deep.
Exam 3: Multiple choice and 10 write in questions. Exam is half port. management, half the other topics.


Ethical and Professional Standards
Quantitative Methods
Economics
Financial Reporting and Analysis
Corporate Finance
Equity Investments
Fixed Income
Derivatives
Alternative Investments
Portfolio Management and Wealth Planning
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
35289 posts
Posted on 8/26/16 at 9:45 am to
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That's fair. I suppose if we're stacking up exams, we would need to include the MPRE with is the required ethics exam


MPRE is such a joke though.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
26984 posts
Posted on 8/26/16 at 10:37 am to
I agree with you, yet a good 40% of test takers manage to fail it
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:32 am to
Each level is different.

L1 is all standalone multiple choice and 240 questions given over 2, 3 hour, sessions. It focuses on mastery of basic concepts by pushing volume. You don't have much time to sit around and think about any single question, so you have to know the material well.

L2 is 120 questions, given in 6 question vignettes over 2, 3 hour sessions. The concepts become more abstract and complicated, but since there are only half as many questions, you have less time pressure.

L3 is 9 to 11 questions that require short answer/essay responses in the three hour morning session. The test (as all levels are) is only given in English and must be answered in English, which is an added degree of difficulty for ESL test takers. The afternoon section is 60 multiple choice. The morning session is difficult to finish, but the afternoon session is easy to finish. The concepts become very abstract and the essay questions make you band together knowledge from several parts of the curriculum to get the right answer.

I took L3 with a guy that also took the LA Bar and he said that L3 by itself was significantly harder than the LA Bar, for reference. I dated a girl that went through law school and passed the MPRE and Bar on the first try. The MPRE is a joke. More comparable to the series 7. The bar was a lot of work, but you spent the 3 years of your life before that prepping for it and then studied full time for a couple of months right before the test. The colume of the Bar prep books was about the same volume as each level of the CFA. The difference here is that most people studying for the CFA are employed full time and studying in the evenings.

The exams are offered once a year, the first weekend in June. They recently added a December test for L1 only, but that was after I started the process.

You have 5 years between passes. It doesn't matter if you attempt the exam or not.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
39553 posts
Posted on 8/26/16 at 1:01 pm to
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The overall Bar passage rate for July 2013 was about 70%.


That number is LSU only. Overall rate was terribad, historically speaking
This post was edited on 8/26/16 at 1:05 pm
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
26984 posts
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:03 pm to
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That number is LSU only. Overall rate was terribad, historically speaking


Hey, you have no excuse for ignoring an edit I made days ago
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
26984 posts
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:11 pm to
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The bar was a lot of work, but you spent the 3 years of your life before that prepping for it and then studied full time for a couple of months right before the test. The colume of the Bar prep books was about the same volume as each level of the CFA. The difference here is that most people studying for the CFA are employed full time and studying in the evenings.


I'm not sure if that's a valid criticism. I mean, you're welcome to take time away from work and rack up $100k in student loan debt if you want to prep for the CFA like we prep for the Bar

And for the record, I didn't consider either the MPRE or the Bar to be particularly difficult. I passed both on my first try. With that said, I would take umbrage with anyone who tries to minimize the experience. 7-8 hours of testing per day, Monday/Wednesday/Friday for a total of 21.5 hours of testing in a single week, the overwhelming majority of which is essay, is nothing to scoff at.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
39553 posts
Posted on 8/27/16 at 12:51 pm to
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Hey, you have no excuse for ignoring an edit I made days ago


I blew right pass that edit.
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 8/28/16 at 7:36 am to
No slight to the bar. It is the hardest exam that is well known and taken by a large number of people. The reason I use it as a benchmark is because of how insane it is.
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