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Technical trading

Posted on 6/16/17 at 3:36 pm
Posted by RidiculousHype
St. George, LA
Member since Sep 2007
10206 posts
Posted on 6/16/17 at 3:36 pm
Everyone is trying to find an edge to beat the market averages. Obviously there are thousands of technical trading "systems" out there that claim to do that. But anyone experienced in the market knows those are usually baseless claims.

With that caveat in place, I was looking into the RSI-2 system developed by Larry Connors. The simplicity here is striking:

Buy rules
-buy when price is above 200d, below the 5d, and RSI-2 is below 5

Sell rules
-sell when price is above the 5d

Essentially what you're doing is buying stocks that are short-term oversold, but in a long-term uptrend. With megacap bluechips or ETFs, the price tends to come back to the mean pretty dependably - meaning a 2-4% rebound over a 1-3 day period in most cases. Small gains, in and out.

Even in your losing trades, the price will catch up with the 5d pretty quickly, limiting the downside.

Any comments on this or any other technical trading you've tried out?

Oh, and since this is a stock market thread...



Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18945 posts
Posted on 6/16/17 at 6:22 pm to
I like the way you're thinking. LSUneaux should be all over this.
Posted by ATLdawg25
Atlanta, GA
Member since Oct 2014
4370 posts
Posted on 6/17/17 at 6:50 am to
If anyone is familiar with Quantopian, this should be relatively simple to model out and backtest.
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 6/17/17 at 3:47 pm to
If you're interested in 1-to-5-day trading strategies, then it seems as though you are interested in "Very Low-Frequency" algorithmic trading strategies, at least according to the categories suggested by Anthony Brockwell of Carnegie Mellon ( LINK):

quote:

Category, Reaction Speed, Average Trade Duration
Very Low-Frequency, up to several hours, 1 week or more
Low-Frequency, up to a few minutes, 1 day to 1 week
Medium-Frequency, up to a few seconds, 10 minutes to 1 day
High-Frequency, 100 milliseconds or less 1 second to 10 minutes
Very High-Frequency, 1 millisecond or less, 1 second or less


Ole War Skule started a pretty decent thread in October 2014 on longer-term timing strategies: " Russell Death Cross: BS or valid indicator?"

I only mention that, because it also includes the 200d / 10mo indicator in the trading strategy, and also because I tend to be more interested in the longer-term stuff. I think the professional algo wizards at places like Two Sigma and Renaissance Technologies have likely eaten up all the shorter-term profit potential, but who knows, right? Maybe not.

Regarding the longer-term market timing trading strategy, I like a paper that Mebane Faber published in The Journal of Wealth Management in Spring 2007, and last updated in 2014: " A Quantitative Approach to Tactical Asset Allocation."

The money chart is on pg. 23 of the paper:

Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 6/17/17 at 3:53 pm to
Yeah, I'm interested in stuff like Quantopian, and these crowd-sourced algo groups like Quantiacs. I wish I had more time to spend investigating that kind of thing, but unfortunately I do not. However, my general impression is that market dynamics shifts so often that it's difficult to truly verify most of these strategies through backtesting.

Bloomberg had a great article about a month ago on the dangers of p-hacking for investors: " A New Paper Just Took a Huge Shot at Some of the World's Hottest Investments."

quote:

Looking at 447 supposedly repeating price patterns identified in the last few decades, academics from Ohio State and the University of Cincinnati contend that more than half are basically figments of their discoverers’ imagination. The study, “Replicating Anomalies” by Kewei Hou, Chen Xue and Lu Zhang, attributed the findings to a statistical sleight of hand known as p-hacking.


quote:

The authors’ inquiry involved taking market anomalies previously observed by other researchers -- say, that certain cheap stocks tend to move in a predictable direction -- then trying to replicate them in their own data. Often, they found nothing but noise. Of 447 anomalies examined, 286 generated statistically insignificant predictions for stocks in the category, and the record was much worse for certain kinds of trading signals.

Broadly, the authors said that the signals failed because their discovers had considered too broad a universe of stocks when they set out to confirm their findings. Tiny companies make up the majority of stocks, they noted, but represent very little market capitalization -- and yet that’s where a lot of the anomalies work best. They posited various flaws of analysis that led earlier academics to give too much emphasis to these stocks in their research.
Posted by RidiculousHype
St. George, LA
Member since Sep 2007
10206 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:40 am to
Interesting stuff. I've read in a couple of places that backtesting isn't as reliable as you'd think due to changing market dynamics. But the logic of the RSI-2 system seems pretty sound at first glance. A good test case right now is COST. 72B company that just lost a quick 10% of its market value due to the AMZN news but is still above the 200d.

I'll probably do some paper trading on this to test the waters and go from there.
Posted by barry
Location, Location, Location
Member since Aug 2006
50346 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 10:58 am to
Technical trading doesn't work. It definitely calls to our ingrained need to find patterns. It's helped us survive but its not useful for stock picking. You can back test all kinds of strategies till you find one that works. Markets change.

I believe behavioral finance plays a part in markets as we are humans as mentioned above and we don't act perfectly. I also think restrictions by large institutions present opportunities to beat the market. Such as overselling because they can only sustain X amount of losses or the inability for lots of people to short sell.

Technical trading in the long term just doesn't work. There are numerous articles that support this. Anyone that had a trading system that worked, sure as shite isn't going to tell anyone about it. Hedge funds go to extreme measures to keep their trading strategies secret.
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