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Seeking "Aggressive" accountant?
Posted on 12/6/15 at 8:55 pm
Posted on 12/6/15 at 8:55 pm
This post was edited on 9/25/20 at 5:26 am
Posted on 12/6/15 at 9:15 pm to DandyPimp
I have the same accountant issues
Posted on 12/6/15 at 10:09 pm to DandyPimp
The rules are the rules.
I would be careful of "aggressive" accountants bc they may lead to an "aggressive" anal audit.
All you can do is take all legitimate deductions.
I would be careful of "aggressive" accountants bc they may lead to an "aggressive" anal audit.
All you can do is take all legitimate deductions.
Posted on 12/6/15 at 10:11 pm to makersmark1
You need Poodlebrain. Best in Louisiana and regular on this board.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:10 am to makersmark1
quote:did you mean annual audit? If not, I hope I never get the kind of accountant you are referring to!
may lead to an "aggressive" anal audit.
To the OP... you state:
quote:Why not ask them for the contact info for their accountants?
In talking to others in my field, their accountants provide a number of ideas...
Posted on 12/7/15 at 3:10 pm to Spirit of Dunson
I was in the same situation years ago, but kept the same CPA firm.
I educated myself on taxes and deductions. Then advised them the direction I wanted to go regarding deductions, etc.
They let me push things to the aggressive end of the spectrum. Tax laws are NOT always clear, but subject to interpretation (grey areas). And I know I may be audited at some point, but the CPA will have my back.
They are accountants not financial advisors.
I educated myself on taxes and deductions. Then advised them the direction I wanted to go regarding deductions, etc.
They let me push things to the aggressive end of the spectrum. Tax laws are NOT always clear, but subject to interpretation (grey areas). And I know I may be audited at some point, but the CPA will have my back.
They are accountants not financial advisors.
This post was edited on 12/7/15 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 12/7/15 at 7:04 pm to ItzMe1972
Any tips on how you educated yourself?
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:29 pm to DandyPimp
Tax avoidance is legal tax evasion is illegal. I know you know that, but wanted to state it anyway.
I was in sales for years and read the IRS publications on what I could expense or write off. I had a general idea of those items, but wanted to know more.
The bookstores usually have finance sections and I would look for books on tax information. There are plenty of books on doing your own taxes that break down details.
For example, in my real estate investments, I purchased a book "Aggressive Tax Avoidance for Real Estate." It helped me understand the tax laws better.
And real estate has been a fantastic tax shelter. You have google to explore the web.
I became more of a partner with my accountant and we have worked well together for years.
I was in sales for years and read the IRS publications on what I could expense or write off. I had a general idea of those items, but wanted to know more.
The bookstores usually have finance sections and I would look for books on tax information. There are plenty of books on doing your own taxes that break down details.
For example, in my real estate investments, I purchased a book "Aggressive Tax Avoidance for Real Estate." It helped me understand the tax laws better.
And real estate has been a fantastic tax shelter. You have google to explore the web.
I became more of a partner with my accountant and we have worked well together for years.
This post was edited on 12/7/15 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:53 pm to DandyPimp
quote:
I'm in a sales position where I am a producer and a manager.
Are you managing other producers? If so, be prepared for the W-2/1099 split to end one day. The IRS is hitting hard on these arrangements, as they, in most situations, are not legal. For a company to give someone a W-2 (meaning they are an employee) and a 1099 (meaning they are an independent contractor) there generally has to be two completely different roles. For example, the classic is the receptionist who works 8-5 during the week as an employee, and on the side operates a cleaning company that has the company she works for during the week as an client. So she cleans the office on Sundays, whenever she wants, using her own supplies.
They may never catch your company, but don't be surprised if they do.
Most good tax CPAs will walk with their clients right up to the line, but won't cross it. There are two reasons for this. One, we want to keep you out of trouble, and two, it's not just you that gets in trouble if we go to far. The IRS can assess penalties on CPAs as well. If we sign a return that takes an unreasonable position, not only are you going to have to pay the tax with penalty and interest, but we can get assessed penalties as well. And if it happens too often, in extreme cases, we can lose our right to practice before the IRS.
And who is going to want a hire a CPA that has gotten in trouble with the IRS?
In any field, it's amazing with the locker room talk, who is getting away with deducting things. If all the stories were true, our fiscal affairs as a country would be a lot worse. Not to be mean, but of all the industries where there is this constant "my friend is doing this" talk, it is absolute worst among salesmen. I'm to the point where I have very few sales reps as clients, because I have either fired them because I am sure they are lying to me, or, they have fired me because I am not "aggressive" enough for them, i.e. I won't make stuff up.
A good CPA should be very clear in what is, and what is not, deductible. Just because you think something should be, doesn't mean the law allows it. A good CPA should take a wide view of deductions, and ask plenty of questions looking for things that can be deducted. But there are limits.
You may find some unlicensed guy that will be much more aggressive, just be careful.
My only other piece of advice is to just document everything. Every expense, have a receipt. Don't ever pay cash, use that credit card (that is only for business expenses) for every last expense.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 4:27 pm to LSUFanHouston
Overly aggressive accountant sometimes means find a tax attorney, or maybe even a good federal criminal defense attorney (of which there are none).
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