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Roth IRA alternative if you make too much money to qualify

Posted on 3/11/17 at 4:31 pm
Posted by Finch
Member since Jun 2015
3152 posts
Posted on 3/11/17 at 4:31 pm
Is there an alternative if you make too much money for a Roth IRA?

I already max out my 401k but I'd like to save as much as possible.

If I have a W2 job and make a profit from a 1099 can I still contribute to a SEP IRA?
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
39582 posts
Posted on 3/11/17 at 4:32 pm to
Backdoor Roth IRA.

Money to Traditional IRA then convert to ROTH.

Make sure you don't have other IRAs with money in them such as 401k rollovers into IRA, as you'll trigger tax event on all IRA holdings.

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This post was edited on 3/11/17 at 4:34 pm
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24154 posts
Posted on 3/11/17 at 4:39 pm to
Max HSA is one other vehicle.
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72682 posts
Posted on 3/11/17 at 5:20 pm to
quote:

If I have a W2 job and make a profit from a 1099 can I still contribute to a SEP IRA?




great question. I would like to know this as well. I have flip flopped with both types of jobs over my career and at times have done both at same time. My wife and I each have a TIRA and RIRA. I also have a 401k and she just rolled her 401k over in her TIRA after being laid off.
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72682 posts
Posted on 3/11/17 at 5:29 pm to
quote:

Backdoor Roth IRA.



i screwed up with this. When i made over the limit i put it in my TIRA and did not backdoor. Main reason was it was already in my damn RIRA (was supposed to be recharacterized but i did not do that, i just withdrew contribution). i invested it too early. Now i wait to make sure i am in the clear.
Posted by player711
Member since Jun 2006
285 posts
Posted on 3/12/17 at 12:00 am to
There are about 15 to 20 mutual life insurance companies that will allow you to take 60 to 90% of the agents commission out of there and Max fund a cash value life insurance policy. They're only three things that allow you to sock money away tax-free and the Roth IRA and municipal bonds are controlled by the government. This private life insurance contract Grows at 4-5% compounded tax-free and also allows you to borrow against the cash value as a non-recourse Simple interest loan to put into another investment with real estate or something that you can control or that you are very familiar with. You could literally have two assets working for you at the same time. That would be my recommendation for you to look at.
Posted by Twenty 49
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2014
18770 posts
Posted on 3/12/17 at 12:14 am to
quote:

Backdoor Roth IRA.


How fricked up is our tax system that ordinary folks have to resort to such maneuvers to save for retirement.

Simplify that shite.
Posted by 1609tiger
Member since Feb 2011
3230 posts
Posted on 3/12/17 at 12:05 pm to
Yes you can have a 401k and do a SEP from other income. The 1099 income could be paid into your sub s or llc then take a salary from that. Remember that the 415 limit applies.
This post was edited on 3/12/17 at 12:14 pm
Posted by LSUtigerME
Walker, LA
Member since Oct 2012
3796 posts
Posted on 3/12/17 at 6:06 pm to
If I've already contribute to my Roth IRA (monthly), and after filing taxes I'm over the income limit, can I roll those Roth contributions into a traditional, then roll them back into the Roth? Will Vanguard know what I'm talking about and not have any issues doing this for me?

Also, how does Vanguard or anybody know/track that you are no longer eligible?
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
82032 posts
Posted on 3/12/17 at 7:39 pm to
this thread discussed something similar.
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