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Private Equity Interview Question

Posted on 2/16/16 at 5:55 pm
Posted by Bernie_Madoff
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 5:55 pm
On an unleveraged basis, could the cap rate on an acquisition (based on projected year one operating income) be higher than the projected IRR over a five year hold (assuming resale at the end of year five)?

Does anybody know the answer to this question? I want to know if my response was idiotic or not
Posted by txtiger79
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 6:06 pm to
The answer is yes. What was your response?
Posted by Bernie_Madoff
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 6:10 pm to
I said yes. But my reasoning might be wrong. I said that the value of the property would be low and since the firm specialized in value-add properties I explained that the property might require a significant amount of investment during the holding period that would decrease the IRR.

Is that an acceptable answer?
Posted by CajunAlum Tiger Fan
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 6:28 pm to
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Bernie_Madoff


They are on to you Bernie, you don't have a shot!

or maybe.......


Posted by Bernie_Madoff
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 6:50 pm to
Did the interview from Butner Correctional. They know
Posted by txtiger79
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 9:20 pm to
Yes. Higher rent leases rolling off after year 1 or significant investment requirements among other things could easily make the implied year 1 cap rate irrelevant.
Posted by Bernie_Madoff
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 9:09 am to
Thanks TxTiger I didn't even think about losing tenants. Appreciate the help. I think I also mentioned tax implications because NOI is pre-tax and IRR is calculated with after-tax cash flows. At least I got one part right.
Posted by txtiger79
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 10:17 am to
Good luck with the job!
Posted by Mootsman
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:56 pm to
quote:

Bernie_Madoff


Do you have an mba? I work in commercial real estate for a bank and would like to move to private equity at some point. I have a b.s. in finance and 2.5 years of work experience as an analyst.
Posted by lilsnappa
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:58 pm to
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would like to move to private equity


Get in line.
Posted by AmeriKop45
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:06 pm to
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Get in line.


I think he is trying to get a profile of an eligible PE candidate. Instead of trying to be a smartass, it would be much more constructive if you just commented on that or not at all.
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 2:07 pm
Posted by Mootsman
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:07 pm to
quote:

Get in line.


There are ways to get from the back of the line to the front of the line. This is what I am inquiring on.
Posted by txtiger79
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:18 pm to
Are you with an investment bank or a commercial bank? 2-3 years of work experience at an investment bank is typically what most PE firms are looking for in terms of entry level candidates. I'm not as versed on the real estate side of things as that's not the industry that I'm in. If you've been at a commercial bank, then it may behoove you to get an MBA from a school that is known for real estate and/or finance and try to get picked up through their recruiting process. The one thing I've seen with PE is that you either need to get in very early (when you are a doer) or very late (when you can bring in business). It's difficult to come in mid-career (VP-level) unless a firm has just raised a new fund or is entering a new industry and needs to beef up staff.
Posted by AmeriKop45
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:21 pm to
txtiger79:

1) Do you work in PE?
2) How early is "early?" How late is "too late?"

Posted by Mootsman
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:33 pm to
I work in a commercial bank. I have a friend who's dad knows people in PE and he said I'd need an MBA. I guess also I'm wondering if I could get an MBA from a school like UGA / USC / NC State or if it would have to be a top school like UNC or UVA.
Posted by txtiger79
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:38 pm to
I don't work in PE, but have been in corporate finance for all of my career and have worked very closely with private equity on a number of transactions.

By early, most PE firms want to bring in people who have "learned the ropes" for that particular industry under someone else's watch and pay. I.E., they are usually not interested in training you because they run lean. If you get into PE pre-MBA, then you are getting in at the entry level position (usually as an analyst or associate), many PE shops will hire that level with the understanding that it is for a couple of years only. Then they will decide whether to promote you to their post-MBA position or tell you to go get an MBA. After that, they may hire you back or not. In terms of "getting in", many PE firms have companies they like to hire from. Namely investment banks that have groups specializing in that specific PE firm's industry. The big LBO shops usually focus on the NY offices of the i-banks, while tech shops would focus on silicon valley banks, energy in Houston, etc.

If you miss the entry level, it is difficult to go in later because you are more expensive and you are unproven. If the PE firm is expanding in general (or a new PE shop altogether is formed), then there may be opportunities to move into a mid-level position, but its generally difficult.

That is until you can go in at the principle/partner level and bring something to the table like industry relationships or deal flow.

All of my experiences have been with multi-billion dollar PE shops, so this is probably not the case for the smaller / mid-market players.
Posted by txtiger79
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:40 pm to
You generally need a top end school to get into PE in my experience because that's where PE firms recruit from. UT, Rice, the Ivies, UVA, Stanford, Michigan, etc. I'm not familiar with UNC's business program. I'd recommend doing a lot of diligence on the schools' career services placement stats.
Posted by Duck
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:53 pm to
quote:

been in corporate finance for all of my career and have worked very closely with private equity on a number of transactions.


Based on your name I assume energy, but what space (upstream, services, midstream)?
Posted by Bernie_Madoff
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:58 pm to
quote:

o you have an mba? I work in commercial real estate for a bank and would like to move to private equity at some point. I have a b.s. in finance and 2.5 years of work experience as an analyst.



You're going to laugh when I tell you. I am extremely lucky to even be interviewing with this company. It is a Canadian firm. I met with the CIO/President who did not even finish undergrad so maybe that's why they are giving me a shot.

I have a BS, no industry experience and am working on L2 CFA. They are looking for an analyst with 0 years of experience. Right now the commercial real estate market is insane in Dallas and maybe that's why they are looking at somebody with my background because I could be a workhorse on models for cheap. One of the analyst is chartered and maybe that is what made me stand out. As far as my chances of getting an offer, I just assume they are slim to none.
Posted by AmeriKop45
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 3:10 pm to
txtiger and Bernie - I would like to stay in touch/pick your brains a little. Any chance you guys could share your e-mail? Mine is in my signature line.
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