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Need financial advice

Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:19 am
Posted by keeton350
Member since Nov 2005
596 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:19 am
I have had the recent unfortunate diagnosis of als, not looking for pity but for advice. I'm 36 I owe 160k on my house right now. I have it financed for 15 years so my payment is about 1600 a month. I am on full disability now, so I get a pretty descent check. I have always made descent money. My wife is a teacher. We have came to the realization that she is probably going to have to quit her job within the next year or so to take care of me. I have about 112k in my 401k that I can cash out and get about 90k after taxes. We are thinking about taking that + about 35k in cash we have and refinancing 35k for 30 years so our payment will be real cheap so she can stay home with me and we can just live on my income. What other options can you guys come up with if you were in my shoes ? Her staying at work is not an option she says she is staying home with me when the time comes. thanks sorry so long
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:49 am to
Hate to hear that. You've got a good woman that would quit her job no questions asked to care for you.

Not sure how sound my advice is. Is refinancing to a 30 year an option? Maybe taking $20k to put down? $140k on a 30 year would be a pretty low payment. With your disability designation you're able to start taking early withdrawals on your 401k without penalties, so maybe start that to supplement your cash flow instead of taking it all out.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37126 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:23 am to
I hate to be morbid by asking, but what does your long-term prognosis look like? Obviously it's a degenerative disease, but do you think you have 5 years? 10 years?

Do you have any life insurance? Any kids?

Also, I'm 36 as well. Praying for you dude.
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4590 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:39 am to
I'd probably look at cash flowing the 401k to fund any necessary expenses rather than cashing it all out at once, this would keep income taxes lower and anything left would be left to your wife.
Posted by keeton350
Member since Nov 2005
596 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:45 am to
I don't mind at all... docs tell you 2-5 years. I will be 1 year in, next month. I'm in pretty good shape still. Not many people my age get it. So I'm sure the 2-5 years is for mostly older people. I was pretty physically fit last year. 6 feet 180 lbs. and could run 3-5 miles pretty easy. So the docs said that would help. So to answer you questions I really hope to get 10 years. But I don't won't to be a complete burden on my family for a long time. I have about 400k in life insurance. I know that's not enough but no one else is selling me more... haha... I have 2 girls a 6 and a 7 year old. They don't know what's gonna happen and they won't till they get older. They just know my muscles are getting weaker and I have to use a leg brace to walk. Anything else just ask. Thanks for the prayers I'll take all I can get. I'm a firm believer in my god.,,
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37126 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:48 am to
What's the interest rate on your note?

I'd be hesitant to tie up a bunch of my money in the house. I'd try to cash flow it as needed rather than draw down all at once.
Posted by keeton350
Member since Nov 2005
596 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:51 am to
2.75%
Posted by BigErn
Member since Mar 2007
3284 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:04 pm to
quote:

I'd be hesitant to tie up a bunch of my money in the house. I'd try to cash flow it as needed rather than draw down all at once.


Especially with this
quote:

2.75%


Your life insurance policy may also have a rider which allows you to access some of the death benefit early due to a critical illness.


Eta, Really sorry to hear about your situation. Praying for you as well.
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 12:06 pm
Posted by ThatsAFactJack
East Coast
Member since Sep 2012
1542 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:04 pm to
quote:

keeton350


quote:

I have 2 girls a 6 and a 7 year old


I can't give any meaningful financial advice, but having a 6 year old daughter myself, this breaks my heart.

Do anything and everything you can with them now. Get dressed up and have your wife video a "wedding dance" for when they get married. Write them letters now to open on their wedding day. DO anything you can to show them how a man should treat them.

Prayers for you and your family.
Posted by darnol91
Member since Jun 2015
749 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:09 pm to
Man, I truly hate to hear this. My father died of a Parkinson's Plus Syndrome, progressive supranucleur palsy, which is related to ALS, when I was 18, so this hits home for me. Praying for you and your family.

The first thing that pops into my head is taxes. Find a good accountant and do everything you can to have your taxes done well. It wont save you a ton, but every penny counts in a situation like this. Look into things that will make probate easier on your wife (getting real morbid here, sorry) such as gifting, and "transfer on death" titling. This could save your family a LOT of money in the long run. If you leave assets directly to underage beneficiaries, it could possibly end up costing your wife more money in the long run in court and lawyer fees by being named their "custodian". As opposed to doing this, if you trust your wife, I would put whatever you want to be your children's in a mutual fund and tell your wife to give it to them at a certain age. If you dont trust your wife completely (not saying you dont, or shouldnt, but money is a special situation) build a trust.

If you want to get into some more sketchy things you could possibly do, I believe you could possibly have some options. You have good money, and if you have good credit, you could get a good amount of money on credit cards. Hell, I have over 100k limit and I'm only 25. I would talk to a lawyer before proceeding with any of this, as it is approaching credit card fraud, and I'll probably be flamed for it, but in a situation like this, you do what you have to do.

First I would immediately begin transferring all jointly owned property solely to your wife. CC debt CANNOT be collected from life insurance money paid to your wife, but it can be collected from other probate items like house, retirement, etc. If you are going to run through your retirement anyways, this doesn't matter. If you choose this route, certainly avoid buying large items that could be considered for both you and your wife. I've done a lot of "travel hacking" and there are certainly ways to get cash from credit cards (see manufactured spending) This is one way to help your wife later on if you are willing to put morals aside.

Back to your 401k: A terminal illness appears to meet the stipulations for a qualifying disability in the federal tax code. Section 72(m)(7) of the code grants retirement account holders an exception to 401k withdrawal restrictions in case of a physical or mental impairment that likely will either result in death or have a long-term, debilitating effect. An account holder qualifies for the exception only upon presenting proof of the condition, such as a written diagnosis from a doctor, to the plan administrator. I did not type this, I found it on google, just to clarify.

If you have any other questions feel free to ask!
Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17264 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:33 pm to
we Just watched the movie Gleason and we have a friend going through the same right now, if you have not seen it look for it on amazon and watch it. He did a voice bank that allowed his computer to use his voice when the time came that he could no longer speak, he did a video blog for his son, lot of really cool stuff. His foundation has incredible resources that you should reach out to, I do not know but I would bet they would have someone that could help with you financial questions.

Good luck and stay strong
Posted by dshort_bruh
Verbena
Member since Sep 2016
507 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:33 pm to
quote:

Do anything and everything you can with them now. Get dressed up and have your wife video a "wedding dance" for when they get married. Write them letters now to open on their wedding day. DO anything you can to show them how a man should treat them.


Dear lord
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:38 pm to
Also, since your wife is a teacher I'm assuming she may be on a state pension. I believe they have a clause where she can begin taking distributions without the early withdrawal penalty for the care of a disabled family member. Not all do, but I'm pretty sure some do. Something to at least check on, and would help the cash flow.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85017 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:58 pm to
quote:

We have came to the realization that she is probably going to have to quit her job within the next year or so to take care of me. I have about 112k in my 401k that I can cash out and get about 90k after taxes. We are thinking about taking that + about 35k in cash we have and refinancing 35k for 30 years so our payment will be real cheap so she can stay home with me and we can just live on my income. What other options can you guys come up with if you were in my shoes ?


A) I'm terribly sorry to hear this, and I'll keep your family in our prayers.

B) Assuming your income is SS disability only, and it is your only income other than your retirement distributions, it would make much more sense to leave the mortgage as is and pay it out of your retirement income as you go.

1) You can safely take out $1600/month from the 401k without having to pay federal income tax on that money, assuming you're filing married with 2 dependents. That is much better than the 22k hit you've calculated on the lump sum.

2) Based on the amount you say you're paying per month, the 2.75% interest rate on the mortgage, and the $160k you said you owe, I figured you've got about 9.5 years left on the mortgage. The 112k in the 401k and the 35k in cash you want to use would fully fund the payments on the house if you could average a 4.8% return. That is doable over a ~10 year time frame.

3) Even if you parked the money (147k total) in a savings account @ 1%, you'd be able to cash flow the $1600 mortgage for 8 years. The remaining payments would be ~$30k over 19 months, but that is much better than the 30yr mortgage on the 35k would have been.

You should talk to a CPA and perhaps a financial advisor, but that is the way I would lean.

Posted by GeneralLee
Member since Aug 2004
13104 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:01 pm to
So sorry to hear your diagnosis, your family is in our thoughts.

One question I have for this scenario you detailed is would the bank let you refinance into a 30 year mortgage if neither you nor your wife worked anymore. I'm not sure if the disability payments would count from the bank's underwriting perspective?
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