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Meeting with a Financial Advisor
Posted on 8/14/15 at 10:38 am
Posted on 8/14/15 at 10:38 am
Next week I have my first meeting with a financial advisor. I found them through the Dave Ramsey Endorsed Local Provider tool. I'm new to investing. Outside of a company 401k, I don't do any and I want to start while I'm young.
What kind of questions should I be asking? I have an old 401k that I want to convert to an IRA (Roth preferably). What is the average charge for someone's services like this? The first consultation is free, but going forward what should I expect to pay for someone to manage this?
Thanks in advance.
What kind of questions should I be asking? I have an old 401k that I want to convert to an IRA (Roth preferably). What is the average charge for someone's services like this? The first consultation is free, but going forward what should I expect to pay for someone to manage this?
Thanks in advance.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 10:48 am to Jblac15
I may be in the minority, but I don't see any need for a financial advisor until you start to become wealthy and need to start playing tax games.
I'll let others chime in....
I'll let others chime in....
Posted on 8/14/15 at 10:49 am to Jblac15
Wife and I did this about a year ago after we had numerous discussions about where we wanted to be as we near retirement.
We looked at our stock holdings, debt, life insurance, savings, my pension, social security, all other assets, the desire to move to a retirement center at some point, quality of relationship with our children and their children and the likes.
Once we did all of this we decided on where we wanted to be in the next ten years and then had our meeting with the FA and crafted a strategy accordingly knowing that it would ebb and flow.
I don't believe we so much had questions but rather laid out the quality of life we wish to realize as retirement approaches and then we let the FA make recommendations.
Has worked pretty well to date as it is flexible enough to alter but tight enough to make best use of our resources given how we choose to live.
We also styled our discussion around if one of us should die prematurely...the type of lifestyle we would wish for the surviving spouse
P.S. Our financial "stuff" was all over the map, it was maddening, and getting it organized was a huge motivator and we thought another set of unemotional eyes would be wise..fee(s) was based upon the setting up what we chose to do with the FA
We looked at our stock holdings, debt, life insurance, savings, my pension, social security, all other assets, the desire to move to a retirement center at some point, quality of relationship with our children and their children and the likes.
Once we did all of this we decided on where we wanted to be in the next ten years and then had our meeting with the FA and crafted a strategy accordingly knowing that it would ebb and flow.
I don't believe we so much had questions but rather laid out the quality of life we wish to realize as retirement approaches and then we let the FA make recommendations.
Has worked pretty well to date as it is flexible enough to alter but tight enough to make best use of our resources given how we choose to live.
We also styled our discussion around if one of us should die prematurely...the type of lifestyle we would wish for the surviving spouse
P.S. Our financial "stuff" was all over the map, it was maddening, and getting it organized was a huge motivator and we thought another set of unemotional eyes would be wise..fee(s) was based upon the setting up what we chose to do with the FA
This post was edited on 8/14/15 at 10:57 am
Posted on 8/14/15 at 10:55 am to Jblac15
#1 I think a meeting at this juncture in your life may be kinda pointless but if it's free then who cares.
I'd tell him you plan on maxing a 401k/Roth which leaves you x amount of disposable $. What are some logical investments you could make with that $? What would he do if he was in your shoes?
I'd tell him you plan on maxing a 401k/Roth which leaves you x amount of disposable $. What are some logical investments you could make with that $? What would he do if he was in your shoes?
Posted on 8/14/15 at 11:35 am to Jblac15
It's worth noting most advisors require an amount between 25-50k to open an account with them
Posted on 8/14/15 at 11:50 am to Upperdecker
Tell him to frick off and then you need to call vanguard
Posted on 8/14/15 at 11:58 am to Jblac15
My wife and I did this a few years back, and I must say, I was a little disappointed. The adviser we went to was so dogmatic about the Dave Ramsey method that he wanted us to pay off a car loan with 0.9% interest before doing any non-retirement investments. Why would I pay off essentially free money when I could be making 8% in the market?
So just be aware that he/she may use this approach. And that may be what you need. It just wasn't for us.
So just be aware that he/she may use this approach. And that may be what you need. It just wasn't for us.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 12:34 pm to Jblac15
I'm curious to see what they tell you. Are you about to come into a large sum of money, about to become a doctor, etc?
A true financial adviser goes beyond investments. Especially since you don't have any outside of your company plan. See if he talks to you about insurance, savings, budgeting, debt, etc.
A true financial adviser goes beyond investments. Especially since you don't have any outside of your company plan. See if he talks to you about insurance, savings, budgeting, debt, etc.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 1:17 pm to Jblac15
check out the boglehead.org website first. Do a little reading and research. Read some of the books this website recommended. You could save yourself a lot of time, money and headache.
You are right in starting to as early as possible!!!
Dave Ramsey is good for people with no direction. You looking to do this tells me you have a direction. Check into the lazy portfolios. What I did. I no longer have Financial Advisers to pay for doing nothing!!!
Good luck!!
You are right in starting to as early as possible!!!
Dave Ramsey is good for people with no direction. You looking to do this tells me you have a direction. Check into the lazy portfolios. What I did. I no longer have Financial Advisers to pay for doing nothing!!!
Good luck!!
Posted on 8/14/15 at 1:33 pm to Jblac15
just know how he gets paid. and watch proprietary funds, and their expense ratios.
Be ok with paying someone, just don't pay them twice.
And honestly I don't think you need an investment adviser until you have a few hundred K. someone like schwab will do those conversions for your for free. And then just buy some of their low cost funds, which are usually commission free. And well ranked.
Be ok with paying someone, just don't pay them twice.
And honestly I don't think you need an investment adviser until you have a few hundred K. someone like schwab will do those conversions for your for free. And then just buy some of their low cost funds, which are usually commission free. And well ranked.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 1:42 pm to Spec1
Thanks for all the quick replies and info.
I'm not about to come into a large sum nor am I a doctor. I'm 27 and have been working out of college for a few years and just want to get off on the right track. I'm not going to lie and say that I follow Dave's principles by the book, but I am debt free other than my mortgage, and have a 6 month emergency fund stashed away. My wife and I make a decent amount of money so I want it to go as far as possible.
I understand that speaking with an advisor is probably overkill at this point, but to get his Endorsement they must have a teaching mindset which is exactly what I need at this point. I don't really have anyone close to me that could give me solid advice on this type of stuff.
Thanks again.
I'm not about to come into a large sum nor am I a doctor. I'm 27 and have been working out of college for a few years and just want to get off on the right track. I'm not going to lie and say that I follow Dave's principles by the book, but I am debt free other than my mortgage, and have a 6 month emergency fund stashed away. My wife and I make a decent amount of money so I want it to go as far as possible.
I understand that speaking with an advisor is probably overkill at this point, but to get his Endorsement they must have a teaching mindset which is exactly what I need at this point. I don't really have anyone close to me that could give me solid advice on this type of stuff.
Thanks again.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 1:47 pm to Jblac15
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I understand that speaking with an advisor is probably overkill at this point, but to get his Endorsement they must have a teaching mindset which is exactly what I need at this point. I don't really have anyone close to me that could give me solid advice on this type of stuff.
No likely he just paid money to ramsey to get listed. I am sure there are qualifications they have to meet, and the adviser is probably not a crook. But dave ramsey is out for dave ramsey. He is likely making money off of the referral somehow.
I don't think its a bad idea to meet with an adviser.
Have you looked at your work to see if they offer something? A lot of companies offer fee for service to their employees at reduced rates.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 2:15 pm to Hawkeye95
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But dave ramsey is out for dave ramsey. He is likely making money off of the referral somehow.
They have to pay him to be listed as an ELP, and he openly admits that on his shows. I like Ramsey, but I have always wondered how he can feel comfortable vouching for all of his ELP's having the heart of a teacher. I think I have heard him say that he has employees that do nothing but monitor the ELP's, so maybe he just makes it known that if he catches any of them acting unethically, he will absolutely run their name into the dirt on the air.
This post was edited on 8/14/15 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 8/14/15 at 2:30 pm to sandwolf
I fully expect him to be profiting off the ELP's. It wouldn't be very Dave-like to not be
That being said, am I wasting these people's/my time by meeting with them?
That being said, am I wasting these people's/my time by meeting with them?
Posted on 8/14/15 at 2:35 pm to Jblac15
I doubt they will think you are wasting their time even if you don't go for their pitch. I would be more worried about you wasting your time.
eta: I would also suggest meeting at a coffee shop and make him buy you a fancy drink and a scone. I always do that for my financial guy. he said he would buy me drinks if we wanted to do it at night but not sure I want to do that.
eta: I would also suggest meeting at a coffee shop and make him buy you a fancy drink and a scone. I always do that for my financial guy. he said he would buy me drinks if we wanted to do it at night but not sure I want to do that.
This post was edited on 8/14/15 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 8/14/15 at 2:52 pm to Hawkeye95
I'm not worried about wasting my time. Even if I just gain a little bit of knowledge, I'd consider it productive.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 3:03 pm to sandwolf
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They have to pay him to be listed as an ELP, and he openly admits that on his shows. I like Ramsey, but I have always wondered how he can feel comfortable vouching for all of his ELP's having the heart of a teacher. I think I have heard him say that he has employees that do nothing but monitor the ELP's, so maybe he just makes it known that if he catches any of them acting unethically, he will absolutely run their name into the dirt on the air.
I have no problem with Dave Ramsey, or how he makes his money, and believe he provides valuable help to a lot of people. However, about 10 years ago I needed a realtor to sell a house I owned in a slow moving area, and signed on with one of his ELPs. The person turned out to be the epitome of what most would call a sleazy sales person. Some of the things they did to sell the house were certainly unethical if not illegal.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 3:30 pm to EA6B
But did they get the house sold?
Posted on 8/14/15 at 4:03 pm to Jblac15
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But did they get the house sold?
Yes!
Posted on 8/14/15 at 4:20 pm to Jblac15
Go see a couple different advisors and compare offerings. It never hurts to listen and have options!!
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