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Posted on 1/13/15 at 7:47 pm to fightin tigers
No, but overpaying for a commodity due to what would be viewed as excessive overhead in any other industry just rubs me a little.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 7:48 pm to Louie T
I have no problem with companies making profits in a free-market fashion. In simple economic terms, the profitability of a good is based on scarcity compared to demand.
We're now seeing that the scarcity was artificially contrived. Just like the diamonds industry. The Saudis have decided to just let it flow, and while big oil will still profit (you can be sure of that), just not at the same un-Godly levels they're used to.
My interest really isn't to pile on to you guys. I know this is scary as shite and fricking sucks (the waiting to find out, more than anything).
But the fact is you have made the big bucks producing an (artificially) overpriced commodity. When times are good, I envy you and what I imagine your paycheck to be. But the fact is that you can't get fat and happy and expect a bailout. Part of the premium you get paid is to attract you to what ultimately is a volatile industry. Your bosses will protect those insane margins at all costs so you'd be prudent to toss the illusion of loyalty out the window.
While I can envy you when things are good, I'm not required to pity you one bit when you guys get brought back down to earth. Everyone in some form or fashion needs to decide for themselves if this is the industry and cycles they want to live and die by. A lot of your jobs only exist because you have modern society's balls twisted 4 times around due to your ability to control supply against basically endless demand. When that same ability to restrict supply comes back to bite you in the arse when your friends the Saudis decide they want to frick you, Russia and our friends in North Dakota/Canada, you're paying the same price the economy pays every day when they buy food, groceries, or anything transported over land/air/seas.
Every industry has headwinds, but because they have less control over their own market compared to the O&G, changes are more gradual and seemingly less "violent". The fact that you guys are overemployed because you have benefit so much from controlling your own markets, means that when someone jumps off the bandwagon, you pay it all back overnight.
For some people, it's worth it. But telling me I'm an a-hole for being relieved my gas/groceries/everything under the sun that I buy will go down in price won't move me one bit.
You just have to take the bad with the good in O&G.
We're now seeing that the scarcity was artificially contrived. Just like the diamonds industry. The Saudis have decided to just let it flow, and while big oil will still profit (you can be sure of that), just not at the same un-Godly levels they're used to.
My interest really isn't to pile on to you guys. I know this is scary as shite and fricking sucks (the waiting to find out, more than anything).
But the fact is you have made the big bucks producing an (artificially) overpriced commodity. When times are good, I envy you and what I imagine your paycheck to be. But the fact is that you can't get fat and happy and expect a bailout. Part of the premium you get paid is to attract you to what ultimately is a volatile industry. Your bosses will protect those insane margins at all costs so you'd be prudent to toss the illusion of loyalty out the window.
While I can envy you when things are good, I'm not required to pity you one bit when you guys get brought back down to earth. Everyone in some form or fashion needs to decide for themselves if this is the industry and cycles they want to live and die by. A lot of your jobs only exist because you have modern society's balls twisted 4 times around due to your ability to control supply against basically endless demand. When that same ability to restrict supply comes back to bite you in the arse when your friends the Saudis decide they want to frick you, Russia and our friends in North Dakota/Canada, you're paying the same price the economy pays every day when they buy food, groceries, or anything transported over land/air/seas.
Every industry has headwinds, but because they have less control over their own market compared to the O&G, changes are more gradual and seemingly less "violent". The fact that you guys are overemployed because you have benefit so much from controlling your own markets, means that when someone jumps off the bandwagon, you pay it all back overnight.
For some people, it's worth it. But telling me I'm an a-hole for being relieved my gas/groceries/everything under the sun that I buy will go down in price won't move me one bit.
You just have to take the bad with the good in O&G.
This post was edited on 1/13/15 at 7:52 pm
Posted on 1/13/15 at 7:49 pm to AUjim
These same O&G workers are for the most part the same people shouting loudly about no government handouts like welfare and such. Yet they want us to show compassion and play our part with $4 a gallon gas so they can exist.
What a bunch of hypocrites. Welfare is welfare.
What a bunch of hypocrites. Welfare is welfare.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 7:52 pm to TheGasMan
High gas prices is not welfare. Dumbass
Posted on 1/13/15 at 7:52 pm to Swoopin
quote:
being relieved my gas/groceries/everything under the sun that I buy will go down in price won't move me one bit.
Your taxes are going up.
Your Uncle Sam will make up the difference.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 7:52 pm to Swoopin
quote:Agreed, which is what the large majority are doing. There are losers on both sides, but let's not play this O&G employees are some sort of overly whiny group like these board continually reiterates. Everyone gets upset when things don't benefit them individually. I think those who are shocked & upset over potentially getting laid off are just as stupid as the pussies that complain about gas prices & salaries.
You just have to take the bad with the good in O&G.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 7:53 pm to TheGasMan
quote:
hese same O&G workers are for the most part the same people shouting loudly about no government handouts like welfare and such. Yet they want us to show compassion and play our part with $4 a gallon gas so they can exist.
+1
Posted on 1/13/15 at 7:53 pm to AUjim
I'm sure all the companies that made record profits will take care of their employees. Companies are people, too.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 7:53 pm to TheGasMan
quote:So.much.stupid.
These same O&G workers are for the most part the same people shouting loudly about no government handouts like welfare and such. Yet they want us to show compassion and play our part with $4 a gallon gas so they can exist.
What a bunch of hypocrites. Welfare is welfare.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 7:54 pm to jimbeam
No expecting people to pay more for gas so .1% of the population can benefit is awfully close.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 7:54 pm to TheGasMan
Except it's not. There's a difference
Posted on 1/13/15 at 7:55 pm to TheGasMan
Was anyone in the oilfield in 96/97 when oil was $12 a barrel?
Posted on 1/13/15 at 7:56 pm to Louie T
quote:
but let's not play this O&G employees are some sort of overly whiny group
I really don't make it personal like that. But I do think that there is a lacking of long-term perspective in these types of threads. If I did the same job and quality of work I do now in O&G, I'd likely be paid more.
But I have and will have to continue to make that choice of whether I want to chase those riches and roll the dice, or if I want to do what I do for lower pay and take my own industry's headwinds into account. The O&G industry has been very good to most people involved and they are likely paid more and have better jobs than they would have had to settle for in most other markets. They're just about to get a tough lesson that no good fortune is free in the long run. They'll pay for it with their job or the anxiety in retaining one.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 8:07 pm to Swoopin
I don't know why you're explaining it to me. I'm well versed in the O&G industry. I had family with a lot on the line in this industry.
There are going to be stupid people making huge cash & subsequently spending it like it would last forever; they aren't bright. That's understood from my end.
My question is why are non-O&G people seemingly often upset about O&G highs when they are also more likely to experience the associated lows of a volatile industry? There are a good number on here who are upset at these "such vastly overpaid salaries" but conversely are so quick to tell people to pound sand when things aren't going well.
Risk/reward & all that. Those that can effectively manage the risk associated with the O&G industry should reap higher profits than less volatile & risky industries.
There are going to be stupid people making huge cash & subsequently spending it like it would last forever; they aren't bright. That's understood from my end.
My question is why are non-O&G people seemingly often upset about O&G highs when they are also more likely to experience the associated lows of a volatile industry? There are a good number on here who are upset at these "such vastly overpaid salaries" but conversely are so quick to tell people to pound sand when things aren't going well.
Risk/reward & all that. Those that can effectively manage the risk associated with the O&G industry should reap higher profits than less volatile & risky industries.
This post was edited on 1/13/15 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 1/13/15 at 8:07 pm to Double Oh
quote:I wish 10 yr old me would have had the smarts to sell all unnecessary organs and turn a few tricks in order to buy thousands of shares of oil then............
Was anyone in the oilfield in 96/97 when oil was $12 a barrel?
Oh well
Posted on 1/13/15 at 8:23 pm to tgrbaitn08
quote:
If saving $30 a month is that big of a deal then I feel sorry for you.
If you drive a moped maybe! I save 30 per fill up...and I do that about 8 times per month. My wife fills about 5.
So we are saving several hundreds of dollars per month.
I've got so many friends in oilfield. And honestly, they make too much money at $100+ bet barrel.
It's not our fault the government lets the Saudis buttfrick us and stiLl do business with them
Drill here. frick the world. Until then I'm damn happy I paid 189 today.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 8:35 pm to TheGasMan
Name one person who expects people to pay more for gas. Any oil worker with half a brain knows the market determines the prices.
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