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Help determining how much mortgage I can afford

Posted on 4/16/15 at 10:04 am
Posted by Tigerfan56
Member since May 2010
10520 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 10:04 am
Sorry for another topic. Searching for my first house has been stressful and I'm really unsure what I'm doing.

I have a very wide price range of houses I'm looking at. Anywhere from 60,000 which will need some fixing up to 150,000.

I want to make a smart decision, and not sign a mortgage which will cripple me. I also don't want to get in over my head with a house that will need an excessive amount of work. So I'm trying to split the line a bit in the middle.

My salary is $46,000 but I'll get a 5k raise to $51,000 before the year is over. I have no debt. Monthly expenses are about $600-700.

My gf would also be moving in with me and helping pay bills,and I would charge her rent. I don't want to rely on rent obviously, because anything could happen even though we're very serious, but at the same time I also realize in the unlikely event we do suddenly split, it wouldn't be hard to rent out to another friend.

I've looked at mortgage affordability calculators but to be honest, the ones I've found have been a little too complex for me.

Any help appreciated
Posted by yellowhammer2098
New Orleans, LA
Member since Mar 2013
3850 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 10:06 am to
Not sure how much this helps but...

I bought a condo for $130k. Currently make about $10k less than you (before your raise). Payment is $500 a month (put about $28k down) and it nowhere near cripples me (also pay $324 HOA). I'd say depending on your down payment you can probably afford any of the houses you're looking at.
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9847 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 10:14 am to
I could be wrong but I think lenders look at your bills not going over 45% of your income or something like that. At least that is what I was told from Wells Fargo.


I am sure most would agree if you ask a bank, they will say you can afford more than you "should".

Though if you are debt free and this is/will be your only debt, just make sure you don't get a note that is so large you couldn't mow grass to make the payment if you lost your job.
Posted by poochie
Houma, la
Member since Apr 2007
6184 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 10:16 am to
Figure out what your bills are going to be, make a budget, then enter in various amounts for the mortgage. Play with the numbers until you feel comfortable. When you get a monthly mortgage amount you feel comfortable, take that amount and see what you could borrow at that amount using various interest rates and loan lengths.

Just because an online calculator says you can afford a mortgage doesn't mean you can actually afford that much.
Posted by ItzMe1972
Member since Dec 2013
9777 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 10:31 am to
Google is your friend on these types of questions....

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Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
11794 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 10:46 am to
You need to look at both what you can afford to pay now, and what you could afford to pay when life changes down the road

I would figure you are paying all the bills, because there is no guarantee down the GF will still be around.

Same thing if married and possibility of wife staying home with future kids. Only buy want you can comfortably afford on just your salary

Posted by AUjim
America
Member since Dec 2012
3662 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 11:16 am to
quote:

Figure out what your bills are going to be, make a budget, then enter in various amounts for the mortgage. Play with the numbers until you feel comfortable. When you get a monthly mortgage amount you feel comfortable, take that amount and see what you could borrow at that amount using various interest rates and loan lengths.

Just because an online calculator says you can afford a mortgage doesn't mean you can actually afford that muc


This is the right answer. Lenders will loan you waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than you can really afford.
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 11:29 am to
Something else to consider: have you looked at doubles? This way, you can help to cover your mortgage with the rental unit. If you live in one side, you can keep an eye on things. The rental income can be factored into your financial picture.

Agree that the bank, in most cases, will happily lend you too much money. How large is your emergency cash reserve? Do you have disability insurance? If you hurt your back or head & cannot work, the mortgage company won't care. You could be unable to work & face having to sell your house & move because you can no longer afford it. Part of taking on a mortgage is to also assess your insurance needs.

You also did not say how much cash you have on hand to contribute as a down payment. To get the best mortgage rates, you'll need 20% of the house's value in cash.

Also, if you're in a rural area, you may qualify for rural development loans or other incentives. Ask at your local bank, try calling the county ag extension agent's home economist, or see if your county/parish has a community assistance office offering first-time homebuyer courses.
Posted by Boondock Saint
The Boondocks
Member since Oct 2005
4530 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 11:58 am to
Also don't just consider the principle and interest. Find out what your property taxes will be. Also your homeowner's insurance will be a part of the mortgage also. Check to see if you need flood insurance. That bit me in the arse.

I was a first time home buyer and didn't really calculate these expenses. It added about $300 a month to the principal and interest. Luckily I could afford it, but it takes many by surprise......
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 1:26 pm to
quote:

Also don't just consider the principle and interest. Find out what your property taxes will be. Also your homeowner's insurance will be a part of the mortgage also. Check to see if you need flood insurance. That bit me in the arse.

I was a first time home buyer and didn't really calculate these expenses. It added about $300 a month to the principal and interest. Luckily I could afford it, but it takes many by surprise......


All of that, plus: furniture and window treatments. Okay, maybe you already own all the furniture you need for a while, but a new house generally doesn't come with curtains/blinds. Decent window coverings can run into serious money. Even plastic WalMart mini blinds for a whole house with lots of windows can add up to big bucks.

What I'm trying to say is that owning a house is a whole series of expenses. If you're paying too much on the mortgage 'cause you bought too much house, you will not be able to afford routine maintenance & keep your too-expensive house up to standard.
Posted by BoogaBear
Member since Jul 2013
5544 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 1:48 pm to
I was in a similar situation when we bought our first home.

At that salary range I was bringing home about 2400ish a month after taxes.

I had more debts than you, and was supporting my wife while she finished school. It was very tight all the time, and I didn't ever put any money back.

You also have to consider other bills, on a $700 mortgage payment expect all housing bills to tally around $1100 with power, internet, cable, tv, water, etc.
This post was edited on 4/16/15 at 1:49 pm
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 1:54 pm to
This calculator is very, very simple to use. It's almost abacus like. It's my secret weapon I used for year's with customers.

Dr. Karl's Mortgage Calculator

My wife and I work and combined we're around $80K/year. I'm the bigger earner and the "typical" theory I used to give to clients was to triple your annual household income and that was the MAX you could afford.

For me that would be $240K and I can assure you I'm not touching that much housenote with a 50 foot pole. My wife and I are childless with a Chihuahua so we bought a small garden home.

We paid $144K for it and with a 3.625% 30 year fixed rate USDA Rural Development Loan, PITI is $804/month. Because we are over 80% LTV, this includes a small amount of Mortgage Insurance (or MI). It will reduce by $2/year until we reach 80% through appreciation or paying it down.

The rates are right around the same amount we paid, and she and I are both on the mortgage, the note, the title, etc.

You are a little different because your girlfriend isn't going to be on the note, the mortgage, title, etc. So your income will be smaller, but you are closer to my home's purchase price.

So keep my numbers in mind as you'll be somewhere in that neighborhood from a monthly note standpoint.

Best of luck.
Posted by Motorboat
At the camp
Member since Oct 2007
22666 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:00 pm to
Call a lender and let them tell you what you get approved for. Divide that by two and that should be close your budget.
Posted by Boondock Saint
The Boondocks
Member since Oct 2005
4530 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:59 pm to
quote:

All of that, plus: furniture and window treatments. Okay, maybe you already own all the furniture you need for a while, but a new house generally doesn't come with curtains/blinds. Decent window coverings can run into serious money. Even plastic WalMart mini blinds for a whole house with lots of windows can add up to big bucks.


This is absolutely correct. I moved in and realized I had no blinds. I got some nice wooden ones (fairly nice house, didn't want to go cheap) and that was a couple grand right there.

Don't get me started on furniture. You are probably going from an apartment to a house. You will not have enough furniture (more than likely). I bought the essentials (beds for all bedrooms, dining room table and chairs, living room furniture, etc.).

I bought the rest over the years here and there. Apply now for a zero interest credit card (you can usually get a year or so no interest). I put a bunch of shite on that and paid it off without ever paying any interest......

ETA: My house happened to come with a nice fridge. Most don't have one at all........
This post was edited on 4/16/15 at 3:03 pm
Posted by PhiTiger1764
Lurker since Aug 2003
Member since Oct 2009
13847 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:23 pm to
quote:

$51,000 before the year is over

This is about what I made when I purchased my first home 2 years ago for $185,000. I put down 5% on a conventional loan at 3.75% interest. My monthly payments (mortgage, interest, taxes, PMI) are right at $1100/month.

Of course, this board will probably tell you that I spent too much for what I make and that I should have waited until I had 20% to put down. But I didn't want to live in a total dump, and I didn't want to wait until I was in my 30s to buy a house (Seriously, that 20% down rule of thumb is ridiculous). So I did what I did.

I make more now than I did a couple years ago, but even at a $51k salary, paying my note was not a problem. It just takes a little budgeting and self discipline. However, I had no other debt to worry about either. Also, I spent a lot of money furnishing the place. And I made sure I had the money to do that before I bought the house.
Posted by autodd03
Clown world
Member since Dec 2013
2532 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:35 pm to
quote:

(Seriously, that 20% down rule of thumb is ridiculous)


20% down gives you a better interest rate with no PMI allowing your PITI to be much less of a monthly burden. In addition, having equity in your home allows you more flexibility in the event there is a downturn in the market. For instance, if you need to relocate, you won't need approval from the lender to sell the property short. If you put 5% down and the market goes down by 10%, you have to come to closing with the additional 5% (less any principle paid already). It is all about how much risk you feel comfortable living with not that one way is necessarily smart or dumb.
Posted by juice4lsu
Member since Dec 2007
3695 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 4:26 pm to
If you can do it, I would highly recommend looking at Duplexes or Fourplexes. You only have one opportunity to get low interest and low down payment on an investment property and that is your first house. If you buy a home not as a primary residence then you must put more down and are subject to higher interest rates. Even if you only live there a few years, you will never regret receiving mailbox money if the numbers are right from an investment perspective. I wish I would have done this when I bought my first.
This post was edited on 4/16/15 at 4:27 pm
Posted by Jabstep
Member since Jul 2014
2130 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 4:38 pm to
General rule is that the total price of the home Should not exceed households three years gross pay. I preferably attempt to keep all of my expenses limited to two weeks take home pay.
Posted by PhiTiger1764
Lurker since Aug 2003
Member since Oct 2009
13847 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 8:02 pm to
quote:

20% down gives you a better interest rate with no PMI allowing your PITI to be much less of a monthly burden.

I understand the benefits of putting 20% down. It's just not reasonably doable if you want to own a house before you turn 30.. unless you are making very good money starting out or you are taking away from retirement savings to save up for a downpayment.
Posted by BoogaBear
Member since Jul 2013
5544 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:17 am to
While I agree with avoiding PMI, it's really not necessary at all these days.

My wife and I just sold our townhouse and we are in the process of building our "dream home".

I'll probably break the money board with this one.

With all of our upgrades and changes we will come in around 343k. We make about 125k a year. We live solely off my salary and save every penny she makes.

We got 4% with lender paid PMI, putting 10% down. Expecting to have a 1500-1600 payment, which isn't an issue since we are used to paying an $800 mortgage plus saving my wife's income.

I'm sure some would say we got too much house, but we wanted to get something to grow into.
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