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Posted on 7/16/12 at 2:19 am
Posted by LSUHSC-S T-Fanatic
WV
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Posted on 7/16/12 at 2:19 am
I'm a medical resident 11 months out from graduating. My wife is the same. We have a significant amount of debt and a baby due in January, and a mortgage that is quite reasonable and affordable on a resident salary. We'll have real earning potential when we finish, and I have a financial advisor hounding around quite aggressively...emails every other week. He works with several recent grads who are now really involved with Stock markets and many other financial ventures.

I'm by nature (A poor La boy), and really conservative with money. Would you guys/girls advise getting involved with someone like this? Is it worth the money? Or should I stay conservative until my debts are done and kid is a stable situation?

This post was edited on 7/16/12 at 2:56 am
Posted by Northgate
Member since Jul 2012
2527 posts
Posted on 7/16/12 at 3:17 am to
I always wondered why, if a financial adviser was so smart, they were a financial advisor. Perhaps this helps ...
Posted by Ric Flair
Charlotte
Member since Oct 2005
13653 posts
Posted on 7/16/12 at 5:58 am to
My advice would be to wait a year. Make sure you have plenty of term life and disability insurance (NW mutual is a good company for physicians). Try to keep living expenses the same your first year, and build up a nice nestegg. Open an IRA through Vanguard.

I made the mistake of opening an IRA through the NW mutual guy. Good for insurance, but basically Edward Jones quality for financial planning. He suggested whole life, and I ran.

The most important decision will be your first job contract. Make sure to get any promises of partnership buy-in and days on call in writing. I was verbally told about the call schedule for my first job, but did not get it in writing. Big mistake.
Posted by Chris Farley
Regulating
Member since Sep 2009
4180 posts
Posted on 7/16/12 at 6:21 am to
Pay your debts, stay conservative. This guy just wants to make some commissions.
Posted by Tigris
Mexican Home
Member since Jul 2005
12356 posts
Posted on 7/16/12 at 6:53 am to
quote:

I have a financial advisor hounding around quite aggressively


If you do need a financial advisor then you should probably pick somebody else, ask around for someone that has proven themselves in the long run. Shortly after college I had a financial advisor that was mostly interested in putting me into high commission funds. My in-laws had a financial advisor take off with a good chunk of their money so be careful. I've managed my own finances for the last couple of decades but I enjoy doing it.
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 7/16/12 at 7:50 am to
First, congratulations to you and the wife on the baby and your coming graduations. You demonstrate wisdom in questioning whether to act on the advice of the financial advisor. In answer to your questions, you should consult with a CPA and/or attorney with respect to the advice you are getting from financial advisors.

As a disclaimer, I am a CPA, and I have provided advice to young professionals beginning their careers.
Posted by MDcajuntiger
Denonvilliers' and parts outlying
Member since Sep 2007
1011 posts
Posted on 7/16/12 at 9:13 am to
Are you going to be in the Louisiana area or staying in WV?

The person we use is a finical planner who caters only to MDs in South LA. He is excellent. He manages a fair about amount of MDs in BR. He comes to our house at our convenience and is low key or aggressive as you want him to be.

FWIW I used the first year out to just get my feet underneath me, track our income and spending habits, then started looking to investments/planners
Posted by Maderan
Member since Feb 2005
807 posts
Posted on 7/16/12 at 9:50 am to
Yeah, as an advisor I would recommend staying away from the aggressive guys. If they have that much time for sales then they typically aren't paying enough attention to managing your money.

Get recommendations for a fee only advisor, as no product commissions are involved and advice given has to be in your best interest like a CPA or lawyer.
Posted by amsterdam
In His Word
Member since Jul 2008
1033 posts
Posted on 7/16/12 at 9:51 am to
quote:

you should consult with a CPA and/or attorney with respect to the advice you are getting from financial advisors.


Actually you should consult a CPA about tax issues, not financial planning matters. I am routinely surprised at how little CPA's know in regards to anything related to investments. For a comprehensive financial review you should work only with a Certified Financial Planner. If your advisor only holds a series 7 or some worthless designation then you should drop them immediately because he probably lacks the skill set you need for true advice.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 7/16/12 at 9:56 am to
quote:

you should consult a CPA about tax issues, not financial planning matters. I am routinely surprised at how little CPA's know in regards to anything related to investments.

Uh-oh.....
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 7/16/12 at 9:57 am to
quote:

I am routinely surprised at how little CPA's know in regards to anything related to investments.


Posted by Maderan
Member since Feb 2005
807 posts
Posted on 7/16/12 at 10:18 am to
No joke, CPA's are often in the dark. Especially when it comes to tax planning using qualified plans. They are often leaving a lot of deductions on the table because they just don't know about them.
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 7/16/12 at 2:45 pm to
[quote]You arrogant fool. What exactly is financial planning? It's nothing more than asking a client what are your financial objectives for the short-term, the intermediate-term and the long-term, assessing whether those objectives are reasonable, and then devising a savings plan and portfolio of investment that will achieve those objectives, and then periodically analyzing the results and making the appropriate adjustments. Any CPA is qualified to assist with all of those except the selection of the specific investments, that is where the financial/investment advisors come in.

I am confused as to how anyone could possibly develop a comprehensive financial plan without considering income and gift and estate taxes. Since those tax issues are an integral part of the plan how can you exclude the CPA from the process? Or do you feel you are competent enough in tax matters to deal with those issues?
Posted by Janky
Team Primo
Member since Jun 2011
35957 posts
Posted on 7/16/12 at 3:13 pm to
quote:

I am confused as to how anyone could possibly develop a comprehensive financial plan without considering income and gift and estate taxes. Since those tax issues are an integral part of the plan how can you exclude the CPA from the process? Or do you feel you are competent enough in tax matters to deal with those issues?


The odd thing is that alot of FA's don't really want to include the CPA or attorney because they might shitcan their chance to sell some insurance. 9 out of 10 times the comprehensive plan will say they need more insurance and that the client should establish an ILIT. However, the CPA often times will suggest using other methods such as FLP's as well as other things.
Posted by Maderan
Member since Feb 2005
807 posts
Posted on 7/16/12 at 4:00 pm to
I think the CPA is an important part of the process especially when it comes to financial planning.

But as you noted Poodle financial plans and investments are two different animals. I don't think anyone can act as a CPA and investment advisor and really be great at both. Just not enough hours in the day.

Kind of falls into the "Jack of all trades, master of none" approach.

When it comes to qualified plans I do believe a large portion of the CPA community is lacking in general knowledge as to what is best to achieve a client's goals.
Posted by slim thug
Member since Apr 2010
8004 posts
Posted on 7/16/12 at 4:05 pm to
I'd also stay away from an advisor that is too aggressive. If he is good enough and established enough, business will find him. He shouldn't have to be out hounding potential clients if he is as good as he says he is.
Posted by LSUHSC-S T-Fanatic
WV
Member since Sep 2005
110 posts
Posted on 7/16/12 at 4:18 pm to
Thanks everyone for all advice. Years of medical training do nothing to prep you for financial planning, contracts, and business.

Poodlebrain -

Thanks for the congratulations; we're at the cliche excited/terrified stage at the moment.

MDcajuntiger –

Eventually we will move back to La. My wife is still considering a fellowship that will add a year to training for her. It would be nice to have the umbrella of staff above me that know me and can give some early support. But the maximum would be one more year then either back to BR or NOLA.
Posted by BennyAndTheInkJets
Middle of a layover
Member since Nov 2010
5600 posts
Posted on 7/16/12 at 4:30 pm to
quote:

Would you guys/girls advise getting involved with someone like this? Is it worth the money? Or should I stay conservative until my debts are done and kid is a stable situation?

Don't trust financial planners that hound you. Don't trust accountants to give you investment advice. Don't trust investment managers to consider your tax implications.

Trust me when I say this, you do not need to reach on "other financial ventures" as you say to get significant returns. Dividend paying value stocks, core fixed income, EM fixed income, and long duration fixed income for the carry (yield) advantage will probably yield you better results over the long run than any sort of high beta equity investment.

Think of this example that most people don't realize. If you have a security with a 6% return followed by a 4% loss, it will be worth more than a security with a 60% return and a 40% loss. Investment returns over the next 20 years will be lower than the past 20 years on an aggregate basis. My best advice is to go in 3-4 diversified 40 act mutual funds, diversified across dividend paying equities, emerging market bonds, and core fixed income. The market is EXTREMELY complicated right now, and if you're just looking to just dabble in stock picking you are lamb for the slaughter. It would be like me saying I just want to dabble in heart surgery in my free time, it just doesn't work like that. Vanguard and Fidelity have some good low-fee funds that retail investors can get exposure to. Then just sit back and enjoy your returns and easy sleep.

Keep enough liquidity to handle your needs. I would recommend some sort of CDs, but short-term rates are going to get driven down even more over the next year or two. You're going to see massive amounts of bank capital having to find a home soon due to decreased commercial paper supply, negative real rates (and negative to zero nominal rates in Europe), and a decreasing "preferred habitat" for short-term investing. Hopefully this is somewhat helpful for you, good luck.
Posted by slim thug
Member since Apr 2010
8004 posts
Posted on 7/16/12 at 4:33 pm to
the market seems driven moreso by macro indicators than anything else. seems like the technicals of the individual stocks mattered more in the past, but now macro news just swings everything one way or another

frick that noise
Posted by BennyAndTheInkJets
Middle of a layover
Member since Nov 2010
5600 posts
Posted on 7/16/12 at 4:34 pm to
It's still affected by both, depending on your asset class.
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