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Dentist misquoted insurance coverage
Posted on 8/2/16 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 8/2/16 at 4:32 pm
I had a root canal and crown done. During the consult, the treatment plan consisted of a $1000 patient payment and $1000 insurance payment. Now, after the procedure, insurance is only paying $275 and I'm told I'm responsible to cover the rest. If I would have known this cost upfront, I would have gone elsewhere or not had the procedure done at all. Do I have any options other than paying this? It seems like the office should get closer with their estimate than $800.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 4:49 pm to TypoKnig
Did you see a network provider?
Posted on 8/2/16 at 4:56 pm to GenesChin
No. My dentist is not in network with any insurance providers. My plan pays the same for major procedures regardless whether the provider is in or out of network. I guess it's my fault for not thinking it through more but I just figured the office would provide a more accurate estimation of costs.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 6:30 pm to TypoKnig
Personally I think they should shoulder the "blame" and cost but that's not likely to happen would be my guess. Sorry that happened.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 6:39 pm to tiger91
mistakes happen, offer to split it with them
Posted on 8/2/16 at 7:08 pm to TypoKnig
Do you have this in writing?
Personally I think being off almost 100% on an estimate is so unprofessional I would be livid.
Personally I think being off almost 100% on an estimate is so unprofessional I would be livid.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 8:03 pm to cave canem
I have the initial treatment plan invoice and the reciept from when I paid half my responsibility during scheduling. Both of which state insurance portion of greater than $1000.
Yea my pitch will be to split it.
I agree that it seems very unprofessional to be near a grand off the estimate.
Yea my pitch will be to split it.
I agree that it seems very unprofessional to be near a grand off the estimate.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 8:34 pm to TypoKnig
And with the way dental insurance works it really isn't unreasonable to expect a very accurate estimate of your costs.
I would tell them you aren't paying anything they quoted as being covered by insurance and see what they do. Meeting in the middle can then be the more than reasonable (on your end) compromise.
I would tell them you aren't paying anything they quoted as being covered by insurance and see what they do. Meeting in the middle can then be the more than reasonable (on your end) compromise.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 8:35 pm to TypoKnig
so did your dentist mess up or did the insurance Co not pay you the predetermined estimate of benefits?
Posted on 8/2/16 at 8:42 pm to Gevans17
I don't know that yet but will get more info in the next few days and follow up with y'all.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 8:43 pm to TypoKnig
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plan pays the same for major procedures regardless whether the provider is in or out of network
The difference is that network providers have prearranged agreement for pricing and any overages like this is covered by them not you.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 8:46 pm to GenesChin
Yea I knew that since they were out of network they wouldn't write off the difference and come after me for it. I just didn't expect the difference to be this different. Just seems misleading.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 8:56 pm to TypoKnig
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just didn't expect the difference to be this different.
Your coverages are well defined in your benefit plan. Sucks but it is your fault if you don't know insurance coverage amount
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Just seems misleading.
They tell you how expensive their cost is. Not really the doctor's responsibility to know your coverage when clearly is out of network by his/her own choosing
Posted on 8/2/16 at 9:40 pm to GenesChin
My dental insurance was extremely basic and something like this:
$20 copay for 2 cleanings a year
$20 copay every 2 years for x-rays
$20 copay for anything major up to $1000 maximum/ year. A certain amount like $250 unused rolls over every year up to X amount total.
I've had probably 4 different dental plans, and they have all been very basic like the above. I don't really see how you can not get the estimate almost exact unless it cost more than expected?
$20 copay for 2 cleanings a year
$20 copay every 2 years for x-rays
$20 copay for anything major up to $1000 maximum/ year. A certain amount like $250 unused rolls over every year up to X amount total.
I've had probably 4 different dental plans, and they have all been very basic like the above. I don't really see how you can not get the estimate almost exact unless it cost more than expected?
Posted on 8/2/16 at 10:57 pm to baldona
I would not pay. You had an agreement to pay x.
Now the dentist says to pay y.
The office manager is making the decision. If the dentist knew of this issue, he would agree with you.
The dentist does not want bad PR and will drop it.
Now the dentist says to pay y.
The office manager is making the decision. If the dentist knew of this issue, he would agree with you.
The dentist does not want bad PR and will drop it.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 11:13 pm to TypoKnig
it's not a mistake. It's an estimate. There's no way to determine what your insurance will pay or not pay. Your dentist has a fee, that you are obligated to cover whether you have insurance or not. Your dentist is not responsible for your insurance co.'s reimbursement issues and your complaint needs to be taken up with them. You're lucky they filed the claim for you. In New York, they will give you an F.U. if you tell them you have dental insurance, so I hear. They hand you a claim form to mail.
This post was edited on 8/2/16 at 11:34 pm
Posted on 8/2/16 at 11:19 pm to matthew25
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The office manager is making the decision. If the dentist knew of this issue, he would agree with you.
The dentist does not want bad PR and will drop i
This is simply false. Every patient is balance billed for every procedure if there is a balance after insurance. Literally thousands of transactions. The dentist and the office manager would agree he needs to pay his bill. Consults explain this, and should clearly state your insurance payment is only an estimate and you are responsible for the difference. Insurance companies don't work for your dentist, and your dentist doesn't work for insurance. If they did, you wouldn't have a dentist to go to.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 11:32 pm to baldona
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I don't really see how you can not get the estimate almost exact unless it cost more than expected?
Because insurance companies don't have an even playing field and are the most despicable aspect in all of healthcare. We, as a dental office, call all our patients' insurance companies before procedures and they will give you a breakdown but state clearly they can pay whatever they want whenever they want. You can be told on Tuesday a D3330 root canal will be paid at 70%, a max of $740. You file that claim code that day and get reimbursed $540 with some notation that's complete bs.
Ultimately, the patient is their customer and a dispute between the patient and their own policy maker is what needs to happen. The insurance co. will not listen to a doctor's office and a doctor's office does not have the time to dispute the $200 difference on your behalf.
Soap Box: Dental insurance is NOT insurance. It's called that so we think it should cover things we cannot afford. It's actually a benefit savings plan with a maximum, usually $1,000 but sometimes all the way up to $2,500. Insurance covers things we cannot afford, like totaling a car or your home burning down. Dental insurance says here's a few bucks, good luck. It's not meant to take care of your needs and health. Out of pocket costs should be planned for. You are lucky if they don't deny payment altogether. I see it every day. Systemic health begins with oral health.
Dental benefit companies are paying sooooo much less these days. I got a declination from one this week for a simple $24 Fluoride treatment on a child! What?! A preventative procedure on a child. The one treatment that will likely save the patient and "insurance companies" thousands of dollars in the future. Now how ignorant is that?!
Posted on 8/3/16 at 9:28 am to GenesChin
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Not really the doctor's responsibility to know your coverage when clearly is out of network by his/her own choosing
And if the doctor had said this up front, you'd be right. But instead they told him "this is how much the insurance company is going to cover." If they screwed that up, it's them. I agree that a smart patient will doublecheck, but for the office managers, figuring out insurance coverage is literally their job.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 9:56 am to Cold Cous Cous
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But instead they told him "this is how much the insurance company is going to cover.
No, he explicitly said they gave him an estimate.
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If they screwed that up, it's them
The doctor is out of network, he says "This is how much I charge, this is what your insurance coverage % says" and the estimate is given based on that.
If the insurance company comes back and says "You charged $100 for XYZ and we only cover that up to $80" that is not your doctor/dentist fault
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the office managers, figuring out insurance coverage is literally their job.
No it isn't. They file claims but as an out of network provider they aren't able to provide perfect estimates if the insurance providers changes their payment amount
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