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Budgets - Some questions

Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:52 pm
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:52 pm
So, the wife and I have been using a budget method where we deposit $X amount in checking. As long as spending is less than what is deposited, its good. If we go over one month, we cut back the next. It works ok, but has some drawbacks.

We have tried to be more granular, but the wife just won't get behind tracking spending. We had a heart to heart last night and she said she will do it.

Two questions I have are...
1) what apps do you use to track your spending? We tried mint but I thought it was almost too detailed, especially for the wife. Any suggestions are appreciated.

2) How much is a reasonable "Me" budget per month? This has always been what our money fights are about. She wants to do a weekend getaway with her gfs, visit her parents, go to the salon, etc. I am thinking 5% of total monthly spend per person.
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:54 pm to
the drawback to this budgeting is that it doesn't force to you to prioritize spending over time, just on a month to month basis.

The wife spends a ton of money on personal travel, and she has no clue that she is spending that much since we cut in other areas to enable this. I would just like her to be more deliberate on picking what she does.

eta: we don't need really need to do this, but we are trying to retire in 5 years. And we will need to do this in retirement, as there is less margin for error.
This post was edited on 7/27/15 at 12:56 pm
Posted by Croacka
Denham Springs
Member since Dec 2008
61441 posts
Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:58 pm to
My mint budget has several things that account monthly for non-monthly purchases

It badically pretend-spends that money each month, even though the actual purchase may be a few months away


It can also carry over balances in each category if you go over one month and plan to cut back the next.
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 7/27/15 at 1:01 pm to
quote:

It can also carry over balances in each category if you go over one month and plan to cut back the next.


yeah, I just worried it will be too complicated and the wife won't bother to enter in her transactions.
Posted by Croacka
Denham Springs
Member since Dec 2008
61441 posts
Posted on 7/27/15 at 1:04 pm to
There really is no "entering" transactions


It's all done automatically if you tie in all of your accounts


At worst, I have to recategorize some of them but mint usually learns the category after once or twice.


Are you spending cash more? This would be a bigger pain I guess
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 7/27/15 at 1:06 pm to
Yes, we spend a fair amount of cash. Maybe $500-600 a month in cash.

Posted by Croacka
Denham Springs
Member since Dec 2008
61441 posts
Posted on 7/27/15 at 1:11 pm to
Well...there's nothing wrong with that, but of course it requires more manual entry to keep up with the budget

I do 99% of my spending on cards
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
33961 posts
Posted on 7/27/15 at 1:56 pm to
I'm not married but I'm very interested in the subject. My initial plan, and yes I know how that goes, was to have accounts for living expenses/retirement/emergency fund. We both put $X amount in there. Anything after is our personal funds.
Posted by Croacka
Denham Springs
Member since Dec 2008
61441 posts
Posted on 7/27/15 at 2:03 pm to
I'm great at setting up and formulating a good monthly budget


I am absolutely awful at following it




Since I set up my budget in mint about 6 months ago, I am 0 for 6
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4587 posts
Posted on 7/27/15 at 2:11 pm to
I second the Mint app. But ultimately it sounds like you need a well documented "goal" and a strategy to obtain that goal. So it forces you to save that allotment towards that goal.
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 7/27/15 at 2:50 pm to
quote:

I second the Mint app. But ultimately it sounds like you need a well documented "goal" and a strategy to obtain that goal. So it forces you to save that allotment towards that goal.


we save about ~60% of our net income. we don't really need a goal, but I want to get some better discipline around spending. Make it more deliberate
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37106 posts
Posted on 7/27/15 at 2:57 pm to
I'm guessing you leave a buffer in your checking account, for when you go over, so that you don't bounce checks / have debit card denied?

We have found that the method that consistently works for us is to just use cash and prepaid cards. Here is what we do, most of the time:

1) My entire check gets deposited into checking. Her check gets split between two savings accounts (regular savings, christmas club savings) and checking.

2) On pay day (we get paid 15th/last day) I go in and pay all "bills" that will be due between pay day and the next pay day (so utilities, mortgage, tuition, student loans, etc). I deduct this from the checkbook (yes, we still use a paper checkbook register)

3) On pay day, I go to the bank and withdraw in cash, two amounts - an amount for groceries and an amount for what we call miscellaneous - which is basically anything that's not a bill, not gas, and not groceries. We stick the money in two envelopes - one for groceries and one for misc. Anytime money comes out of the envelope, it gets replaced with a receipt from wherever we spent the cash. Deduct from checkbook.

4) On pay day, I load money onto two prepaid gift cards - we each keep one, and they are both for RaceTrac, and we use this to pay for all of our gas. Deduct from checkbook.

5) We have a credit card, but we only use it for "emergency" situations like a blown tire, unexpected medical bill that can't be handled with misc cash, etc. This is just to give us time to get to the savings account to pull the money needed for this issue.

6) We also have a seperate savings account tied to our checking account, where in the second half of the month, we transfer from checking to savings 1/2 of the amount needed for the kids tuition and mortgage payments. First half of the month, we transfer this back into the checking and use that along with another 1/2 from the first half check to make those payments. Basically it just allocates our expenses out over both paychecks.

Other people on here will talk about credit cards, points, miles, etc... but we have learned the hard way that those things don't work for us in our point in our lives. This works for us. Basically, the end result is we don't use our debit cards for day to day spending - we use cash.
This post was edited on 7/27/15 at 3:00 pm
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
39582 posts
Posted on 7/27/15 at 3:02 pm to
quote:

I'm great at setting up and formulating a good monthly budget

I am absolutely awful at following it

Since I set up my budget in mint about 6 months ago, I am 0 for 6


Common enough.

We do OK at conforming. I also have a few auto transactions that happen each week. I set these up for just below what I want for my savings goals so that "extra" cash is there in case something comes up or we want to buy something or whatever. The can't spend what you don't have theory.

I also now have a $2,000 minimum I count as $0. This just keeps me from mucking something up paying bills here and there. I don't like my money sitting in checking, but figured I'd give me some leeway if I pay too much too early on something.
This post was edited on 7/27/15 at 3:03 pm
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
39582 posts
Posted on 7/27/15 at 3:11 pm to
For your mint categories, you could just manually make new ones that are more broad.

Mint has Restaurants, Alcohol, and Fast Food as categories or something like that.

I grouped the foods ones up, but kept alcohol separate because that's something I want to know about wit specificity.

Posted by Croacka
Denham Springs
Member since Dec 2008
61441 posts
Posted on 7/27/15 at 3:32 pm to
I have about 30 mint categories in my budget and I always end up having a good chunk of $$ in the "Everything Else" category

Drives my OCD up the wall
Posted by jonboy
Member since Sep 2003
7138 posts
Posted on 7/27/15 at 3:57 pm to
I've been using the dave ramsey "every dollar counts". Kind of a pain in the arse. The "funds" tool doesn't work right & if you overspend in one area it doesn't account for it else where. You can have $100 "remaining" total but the your line item budget for food might show $600 "remaining".
I wouldn't say don't use it but be aware of it's limitations.
Posted by Toula
504
Member since Dec 2006
35399 posts
Posted on 7/27/15 at 3:57 pm to
I strongly advocate mint.
My wife never looks at the site but respects it enough when I tell her we have x dollars left in a category.

The major benefit of mint is just realizing how much you spend on certain things. Before mint, we didn't realize how much we were spending on eating out. We still eat out a lot, but it's helped us reel it in a good bit.

We each have our personal slush fund to spend as we see fit. Works well b/c I don't get bitched at for spending money on golf or dumb toys, and she doesn't ever get shite for shopping.

Except for personal spending, all our other budgets are together.. We have "amusement" for things we do together, Home improvement for things for house and yar, etc.






Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 7/27/15 at 4:00 pm to
quote:

We each have our personal slush fund to spend as we see fit. Works well b/c I don't get bitched at for spending money on golf or dumb toys, and she doesn't ever get shite for shopping.


how much of your budget is this? I know I will barely use mine and the wife will blow through hers. I figure I am going to give an extra 10%, to set the stage that she gets more "fun money" than I do. But looking back at the last 6 months, she has 3 girls weekends, and two trips to visit her parents.
Posted by Croacka
Denham Springs
Member since Dec 2008
61441 posts
Posted on 7/27/15 at 4:04 pm to
All I can say is "good luck"


Those trips and the like are habits that are tough to break
Posted by Toula
504
Member since Dec 2006
35399 posts
Posted on 7/27/15 at 4:05 pm to
quote:

Yes, we spend a fair amount of cash. Maybe $500-600 a month in cash.


Mint could work for this.

We hardly ever use cash but have a "Cash & ATM" budget $200/mo. I typically take that out the first of the month and keep at the house. If one of us needs cash, we take some out of the pot.

Works great for us b/c we never use it all (if any)each month, so the cash builds up. Every few months use cash for a nice dinner or I'll give the wife cash for a mall trip. It's a good way to "splurge" and it not "hit" that budget.





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