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Another Roth IRA Discussion.

Posted on 8/22/17 at 5:08 am
Posted by WillieD
Lafayette/BR
Member since Apr 2014
2019 posts
Posted on 8/22/17 at 5:08 am
Through the years I contributed but it's been a while since my income exceeds $133k.
It's value is $35k. I'm not sure what to do with it. I feel like it's underperforming, stagnant, and it kills me to look at the fees(1.2%).

Background: 40y/o, 401k & other investments are in good shape, no debt.

What do the MT gurus say?
Posted by Tiger1414
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2017
23 posts
Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:35 am to
Roll over to Vanguard Roth, then choose a low cost index fund. That will save you dough on the fees.
Posted by WillieD
Lafayette/BR
Member since Apr 2014
2019 posts
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:24 am to
Thanks 1414. I'll look into that.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
39584 posts
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:28 am to
quote:

What do the MT gurus say?



You can still contribute to the ROTH via the backdoor ROTH procedure. Look into it.
Posted by Oenophile Brah
The Edge of Sanity
Member since Jan 2013
7540 posts
Posted on 8/22/17 at 12:40 pm to
Like others have stated, rollover to Vanguard for low fees. Then look at backdoor contributions going forward.

quote:

I feel like it's underperforming, stagnant, and it kills me to look at the fees(1.2%).

If you don't mind, I'm curious who has Roth fees that high. That's crazy. Ed Jones?
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4590 posts
Posted on 8/22/17 at 1:01 pm to
1-1.2% is a very competitive fee to work with anyone to manage your money.

If he's doing it on his own or with a robo advisor then that would be a bit high.
Posted by Oenophile Brah
The Edge of Sanity
Member since Jan 2013
7540 posts
Posted on 8/22/17 at 1:24 pm to
I guess I don't see what the 1.2% is supposed to be buying you in a Roth account. It's not a brokerage account so it's mostly just directing money. No loss harvesting or other considerations.
Posted by seawolf06
NH
Member since Oct 2007
8159 posts
Posted on 8/22/17 at 1:45 pm to
Where is your Roth managed? You can likely buy Vanguard or Fidelity funds from anywhere, but won't always be a "free trade" scenario.

There are definitely lower cost options in the market (<.10% net)
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4590 posts
Posted on 8/22/17 at 1:49 pm to
I'm assuming this is a fee based account more than likely. So it's buying you asset allocation, ongoing portfolio management and needed adjustments towards economic cycles and opportunities, emotional guidance (to not sell out when things get tough), and guidance on organization and allocation of outside assets.


If the OP doesn't get that service then he needs to talk to his FA about why he is paying a fee. (Assuming he is working with an FA)
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4109 posts
Posted on 8/22/17 at 6:14 pm to
Possibly so. But for a $35K account, he doesn't need that. When he has ten times that amount, then he may get some value from those services.

Roll it into Vanguard, Schwab, Fidelity, etc., pick three or four funds or ETFs and don't fret over it til he hits his 50's.
Posted by Calvin Coolidge
Member since Jun 2016
467 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 8:29 pm to
Good advice from Jag and others. The backdoor Roth is also a good idea especially IF tax reform come to fruition and with it lower rates. Tax rates won't stay lower forever.
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