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401k Roth question

Posted on 7/14/15 at 11:47 am
Posted by ragacamps
Member since Jan 2011
2997 posts
Posted on 7/14/15 at 11:47 am
Can someone explain how these products work? Really just the difference between a 401k and 401k roth.

My wife can have 1 or both. Should she have 1 or both?

Thanks., I see the thread above but really didnt see an explanation on the 401k roth.


Ive searched online but my feeble mind needs more substance.
This post was edited on 7/14/15 at 11:48 am
Posted by yellowhammer2098
New Orleans, LA
Member since Mar 2013
3850 posts
Posted on 7/14/15 at 11:51 am to
Roth 401k you put in after-tax dollars and you are able to take the money out at ~60 without paying taxes on gains

401k you put in before tax dollars and you are taxed when you take the money out.
Posted by achenator
Member since Oct 2014
2945 posts
Posted on 7/14/15 at 11:52 am to
I many not be right but a 401k you defer taxes until you take the money out. Withthe roth option, you are betting taxes will be higher when you take it out so you pay taxes on that income now.



Edit, yellowhammer beat me to it
This post was edited on 7/14/15 at 11:54 am
Posted by ragacamps
Member since Jan 2011
2997 posts
Posted on 7/14/15 at 12:39 pm to
I understand that much. But how does an employee 401k roth function as opposed to a 401k or a regular roth ira?
Posted by Dirtman16
Madison, AL
Member since Nov 2012
410 posts
Posted on 7/14/15 at 12:40 pm to
My understanding is the correct reason to use a Roth is when you expect your post retirement income to put you in a higher tax bracket than pre-retirement income would.

In reality, having both a Roth and non-Roth would let you balance your tax liability in retirement.
Posted by ragacamps
Member since Jan 2011
2997 posts
Posted on 7/14/15 at 12:43 pm to
thanks man
Posted by StinkBait72
Member since Nov 2011
2057 posts
Posted on 7/14/15 at 1:08 pm to
quote:

In reality, having both a Roth and non-Roth would let you balance your tax liability in retirement.


I did this and split 50/50. I can't predict the future and figured walking the line would be my best bet.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
18005 posts
Posted on 7/14/15 at 2:04 pm to
another recommendation is that when you are early in your career you will be making less $. Since you make less, you are paying less taxes and putting more in the Roth makes sense. As you get older and salary increases, you start moving deposits more to the traditional 401k/IRA and less to the Roth.
Posted by Jblac15
Member since Mar 2011
687 posts
Posted on 7/14/15 at 2:22 pm to
Any match that the company offers has to go to a traditional 401k correct? Only your contribution will go into the roth side.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4106 posts
Posted on 7/14/15 at 4:32 pm to
No, not necessarily. It depends on the company's policy, first and foremost. Her HR dept. should be able to answer that question.

As for what she should or shouldn't do, without knowing her age, income, current investment/retirement profile and a host of other variables, it's hard for anyone to give you a meaningful answer.

We were supposed to get a Roth 401k option where I work for next year. For whatever reason, that option was taken off the table a few weeks ago. I'm still quite unhappy about that. I have more than enough tax deferred retirement funds. I wanted to balance things out with a Roth 401k, to go along with my Roth IRA.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 7/14/15 at 6:40 pm to
With a traditional IRA or 401(k), you can deduct the money you put in from your income before you pay taxes. However, you pay tax on what you withdraw after you retire.

With a Roth IRA or 401(k), you cannot deduct your contributions from income. However, what you withdraw after retirement is completely tax-free.

An added benefit of the Roth IRA (I don't know if this applies to the Roth 401) is that you can withdraw funds from the Roth IRA up to the amount you've contributed with no penalties whatsoever. The IRS doesn't care b/c you already paid your taxes. This removes the need to set aside money for an emergency fund in a taxable savings account - just plow it all into a Roth IRA.

Another little feature is that because the returns on a Roth account are not taxed, you should make your more risky investments there. If your retirement planning is such that you should have some emerging market stocks, for example, it's probably better to do it in your Roth than in a traditional plan.
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