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re: Would it have been "legal" if OB "blocked" the kick in end zone?
Posted on 9/9/13 at 12:29 pm to White Shadeaux
Posted on 9/9/13 at 12:29 pm to White Shadeaux
OP needs OJT
Posted on 9/9/13 at 12:30 pm to Brummy
At least someone got the Kenny Irons reference.
It is legal and should be done for any try over 45 yards I think. I've been saying it for years and pointed out a few times when a team barely made a 55+ yard FG.
It is legal and should be done for any try over 45 yards I think. I've been saying it for years and pointed out a few times when a team barely made a 55+ yard FG.
Posted on 9/9/13 at 12:32 pm to lsuallsportsfan
People used to ask this when Shaq was in school.
Posted on 9/9/13 at 12:43 pm to DollaChoppa
Not sure of answer but thinking it through here, if you block kick behind line of scrimmage then you don't lose as fumble from having touched it. However, once you touch ball after it crosses line of scrimmage then it can be recovered as a fumble correct? So trying to block at goal post could risk fumble recovered for TD?
Posted on 9/9/13 at 12:47 pm to MountainTiger
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For O'Dell?
I like it because it sounds like Old Dirty Bastard
Posted on 9/9/13 at 12:48 pm to crazybengal
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The first reason he was back there was to block the field goal, if possible. The second option is to return the field goal.
NO CHANCE OBJ jumps above the cross-bar. Why send a sub 6' player to block a cick?
Posted on 9/9/13 at 12:50 pm to KG6
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How would it not be the same as blocking at the line of scrimmage?
don't know if it's legal or not but this made me think of basketball
you can block a shot (line of scrimmage) but can't goal tend
Posted on 9/9/13 at 12:50 pm to Clark W Griswold
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It is legal and should be done for any try over 45 yards I think. I've been saying it for years and pointed out a few times when a team barely made a 55+ yard FG.
Missed field goal goes back to LOS, caught kick for return gets ball at spot of tackle. Not so fast with the ST advice.
Posted on 9/9/13 at 12:53 pm to White Shadeaux
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It's "OB" or "OBJ" if anything.
Should be OB or OBjr. Junior is not his last name.
Posted on 9/9/13 at 12:54 pm to lsuallsportsfan
It is illegal to swat at a ball after it reaches its apex.
Posted on 9/9/13 at 1:13 pm to lsuallsportsfan
Posted on 9/9/13 at 1:19 pm to GeauxPack81
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It is illegal to swat at a ball after it reaches its apex.
Link?
Posted on 9/9/13 at 1:25 pm to TheDoc
It is illegal to purposefully bat a football. NCAA rulebook, p. 60
BUT not illegal to catch it.
quote:
SECTION 4. Batting and Kicking
Batting a Loose Ball—ARTICLE 1
Approved Ruling 9-4-1
I. Team A attempts a field goal from Team B’s 30-yard line. A Team B player in the end zone leaps above the crossbar and bats the ball in flight. The ball goes into the end zone and is recovered by Team A.
RULING:Foul for batting the ball in the end zone. The result of the play is a touchdown.
II. Team A attempts a field goal from Team B’s 30-yard line. A Team B player in the end zone leaps above the crossbar and bats the ball in flight. The ball goes into the end zone and is recovered by Team B.
RULING: Foul for batting the ball in the end zone. The result of the play is a touchback, safety.
III. Team A attempts a field goal from Team B’s 30-yard line. A Team B player in the end zone leaps above the crossbar and bats the ball in flight. The ball goes into the field of play.
RULING: Foul for batting the ball in the end zone. During regulation play, postscrimmage kick enforcement gives a safety by penalty. The ball remains alive, and Team A may elect the result of the play. If Team A recovers, does not score and accepts the penalty, or if the play occurs in an extra period, enforcement is at the previous spot.
BUT not illegal to catch it.
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VI. Team A attempts a field goal, and B23, in the end zone, goes above the crossbar and catches the ball.
RULING: Legal play
Posted on 9/9/13 at 1:26 pm to TheDoc
It is illegal to block a kick near the uprights unless you snatch it out of the air cleanly. Here's the rule:
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Mystery solved: doing this would be illegal, except in the rare instance where the defender catches the ball cleanly. Thanks to commenter Chris (not me) for pointing this out. The rules can be found on pages 243-44 here. The applicable rules are as follows. Note the penalties range from a safety against the defending team (or upholding of a touchdown if the kicking team recovers it in the end zone) to simply a first down and yardage for the offense. Probably too risky. Note also these rules don’t seem to apply if the kick falls short of the crossbars without interference — i.e. the Antonio Cromartie stuff.
I. Team A attempts a field goal from Team B’s 30-yard line. A Team B player in the end zone leaps above the crossbar and bats the ball in flight. The ball goes out of bounds in the end zone.
RULING: Foul for batting the ball in the end zone. During regulation play, postscrimmage kick enforcement gives a safety by penalty. In extra periods, enforcement of the 15-yard penalty is at the previous spot
and Team A retains possession.
II. Team A attempts a field goal from Team B’s 30-yard line. A Team B player in the end zone leaps above the crossbar and bats the ball in flight. The ball goes into the end zone and is recovered by Team A.
RULING: Foul for batting the ball in the end zone. The result of the play is a touchdown.
III. Team A attempts a field goal from Team B’s 30-yard line. A Team B player in the end zone leaps above the crossbar and bats the ball in flight. The ball goes into the end zone and is recovered by Team B.
RULING: Foul for batting the ball in the end zone. The result of the play is a touchback, safety.
IV. Team A attempts a field goal from Team B’s 30-yard line. A Team B player in the end zone leaps above the crossbar and bats the ball in flight. The ball goes into the field of play.
RULING: Foul for batting the ball in the end zone. During regulation play, postscrimmage kick enforcement gives a safety by penalty. The ball remains alive, and Team A may elect the result of the play. If Team A recovers, does not score and accepts the penalty, or if the play occurs in an extra period, enforcement is at the previous spot.
…
VII. Team A attempts a field goal, and B23, in the end zone, goes above the crossbar and catches the ball.
RULING: Legal play.
Update 2: But, what if you were up by three and could block the field goal attempt into the end zone and recover it yourself for a safety? Might be worth it still, no? (The game cannot end on a penalty, but then you’d just have to defend a free kick return rather than a field goal attempt.)
Posted on 9/9/13 at 1:29 pm to TheDoc
they provided one for me ^ but thats the same ruling I read
Posted on 9/9/13 at 1:34 pm to GeauxPack81
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It is illegal to swat at a ball after it reaches its apex.
Rule 9, Section 4, Article 1b, reads as follows:
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Any player may block a scrimmage kick in the field of play or the end zone.
The word "apex" is not in the NCAA rulebook.
However, in a seeming contradiction to the above rule that a player may block a scrimmage kick in the field of play or the end zone:
quote:
SECTION 4. Batting and Kicking
Batting a Loose Ball—ARTICLE 1
Approved Ruling 9-4-1
I. Team A attempts a field goal from Team B’s 30-yard line. A Team B
player in the end zone leaps above the crossbar and bats the ball in flight.
The ball goes into the end zone and is recovered by Team A. RULING:
Foul for batting the ball in the end zone. The result of the play is a
touchdown.
II. Team A attempts a field goal from Team B’s 30-yard line. A Team B
player in the end zone leaps above the crossbar and bats the ball in flight.
The ball goes into the end zone and is recovered by Team B. RULING:
Foul for batting the ball in the end zone. The result of the play is a
touchback, safety.
III. Team A attempts a field goal from Team B’s 30-yard line. A Team B
player in the end zone leaps above the crossbar and bats the ball in flight.
The ball goes into the field of play. RULING: Foul for batting the ball in
the end zone. During regulation play, postscrimmage kick enforcement
gives a safety by penalty. The ball remains alive, and Team A may elect
the result of the play. If Team A recovers, does not score and accepts the
penalty, or if the play occurs in an extra period, enforcement is at the
previous spot.
...
VI. Team A attempts a field goal, and B23, in the end zone, goes above the
crossbar and catches the ball. RULING: Legal play.
LINK
Hopefully someone has communicated this rule to OBJ, as I'm not sure he understood he must catch the ball, not merely bat it away, based on the excerpt I saw of his statement (and maybe the full statement makes it clear.)
ETA: I'm leaving mine up because mine is from the current rulebook.
ETA: Okay, CCC's is current, too. But mine provides link.
This post was edited on 9/9/13 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 9/9/13 at 1:36 pm to lsuallsportsfan
He blocked it and caught it at the same time. And did a really good job of it.
Posted on 9/9/13 at 1:37 pm to lsuallsportsfan
This should be Speedy Noils role on long FGs
Posted on 9/9/13 at 1:39 pm to Ace Midnight
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Hopefully someone has communicated this rule to OBJ, as I'm not sure he understood he must catch the ball, not merely bat it away, based on the excerpt I saw of his statement (and maybe the full statement makes it clear.)
He didn't leap above the crossbar to field it so the rule would not have applied on that specific play. Rules are rules. Got to read them.
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