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re: Why was John Brady fired?
Posted on 3/21/24 at 11:58 am to hsgeoboy
Posted on 3/21/24 at 11:58 am to hsgeoboy
He got severely outcoached in the 2006 Final Four and UCLA kicked his shite in. They played Zone and we couldn't shoot them out of it. On offense, UCLA ran all night and had LSU sucking wind.
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Posted on 3/21/24 at 12:01 pm to hsgeoboy
quote:It was more the opposite of the Coach O situation, honestly.
Was this basically a Coach O fall from glory type thing or just how the cookie crumbled? Anyone who remembers that era please feel free to fill me in
As stated above, Brady was gruff and unpleasant, and rubbed people the wrong way. The Powers That Be here didn't like that, much like they didn't like Saban telling them to frick off. But Brady didn't have Saban-level of success, so he didn't get the same immunity from boosters that Saban did. They waited for him to have a drop-off, and canned him with the quickness when he did.
About recruiting; much has been made of the Collis Temple AAU ties (getting all those local guys), but he recruited well enough in my opinion. The first batch (2000 team) had Stromile Swift, Jabari Smith, Ronald Dupree.
He had the following:
SEC Player of the Year- 2000 Swift, 2005 Brandon Bass, 2006 Glen Davis.
SEC Freshman of the Year: Bass 2003-4, Davis 2004-5, Tyrus Thomas 2005-6.
You also had other top local guys like Tasmin Mitchell, who was supposed to be elite (Parade All American 1st Team, etc), but was "merely" very good... and he might have been the reason for Brady's demise.
Tasmin was intended to be the centerpiece of the 2007 team. But he got hurt 3 games into that season and missed the year. LSU had a bad year, Brady got fired. Tasmin came back the next year, and playing alongside Marcus Thornton (2008 POTY) and Garrett Temple, LSU went 27-8 and won the SEC at 13-3.
That was Trent Johnson's first season, and we all thought/expected he would continue Brady's run, and that LSU was firmly established as a Top 20 team (kinda like football, hey anyone can win here).
We wuz wrong
You could say we're still paying for the arrogance of firing a coach that got us to the Final Four, because 'we can do better'.
Posted on 3/21/24 at 12:07 pm to TopWaterTiger
quote:Well we did win with Trent, at least that first season. No one remembers that he won the SEC and went to the tournament. After that he was just another in a long line of coaches that either couldn't bring in good players are who didn't know what to do with them when they got them(Johnny Jones).
With Trent Johnson of all people....
The real struggle with basketball at LSU is that most of the great athletes in the state choose football over basketball so the in state pickings are slim. The out of state guys that are good are going to want to either play near home or go with a big nationally recognized program that has a shot at the national championship. A never ending cycle that frustrates basketball fans.
That's why Wade was so exciting. He knew where to find players and knew how to convince them to come to LSU. Look at what he has done at McNeese. He is playing with 10 players from the portal and is 30-3 , is the coach of the year in his conference, nominated for two national coach of the year honors and is playing in the NCAA Tournament at 6:00 today.
Posted on 3/21/24 at 12:13 pm to Scientific73
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He got severely outcoached in the 2006 Final Four and UCLA kicked his shite in. They played Zone and we couldn't shoot them out of it. On offense, UCLA ran all night and had LSU sucking wind.
Similar to 1/9/12, once UCLA went up by double digits it felt like it was over
Posted on 3/21/24 at 12:14 pm to hsgeoboy
I think the most concise answer was, he was a dick.
He alienated almost everyone at every level of the program and beyond, fans, admins, players, support staff, high school coaches, other coaches...on and on.
He came in with a chip on his shoulder and I've heard always felt like no on respected him and that he didn't deserve a job at this level. He wore that chip with him everywhere, i think he'd even admit that now. And when he went to the Final 4 he doubled down and really alienated some folks so when it went the wrong way his last two years he made it easy to convince most people to move on from him.
I would say as far as gameplanning and in game bench coaching he's the best we've ever had at that in my lifetime. He was the best inbound play coach we've ever had, he had great ones, consistently.
He alienated almost everyone at every level of the program and beyond, fans, admins, players, support staff, high school coaches, other coaches...on and on.
He came in with a chip on his shoulder and I've heard always felt like no on respected him and that he didn't deserve a job at this level. He wore that chip with him everywhere, i think he'd even admit that now. And when he went to the Final 4 he doubled down and really alienated some folks so when it went the wrong way his last two years he made it easy to convince most people to move on from him.
I would say as far as gameplanning and in game bench coaching he's the best we've ever had at that in my lifetime. He was the best inbound play coach we've ever had, he had great ones, consistently.
Posted on 3/21/24 at 12:15 pm to bluebarracuda
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Butch Pierre tyfys
That Tennessee game right after Brady was fired, man that would have been such a big win. You could tell the guys left their heart on the floor.
If only Chris Johnson had laid it up on the offensive board instead of trying to dunk it at the end, the basket would have counted and we go to OT.
Posted on 3/21/24 at 12:18 pm to Scientific73
Did ucla play zone? I can’t remember and won’t dare watch the tape. I always thought they were an aggressive man team under Howland and i do recall them doubling Darrel Mitchell off every high screen. They had a great defensive gameplan and paid more attention to taking away Mitchell vs Davis/Thomas although im pretty sure the latter 2 both ended up in foul trouble. No one else could really step up and make a shot or a play. Defensively we weren’t awful but had zero answers offensively.
Posted on 3/21/24 at 12:24 pm to S
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Did ucla play zone? I can’t remember and won’t dare watch the tape.
It was a very ugly game, I had the misfortune of being there - low scoring like 58-46 or something like that.
UCLA jumped out by 12 very early and after that they struggled to score just as badly as we did and the margin stayed at about that 12 points the final 36 minutes, we never really threatened.
Posted on 3/21/24 at 12:26 pm to hsgeoboy
John Brady refused to give me an autograph at Cortana Mall in 1999
Still hurts tbh
Still hurts tbh
Posted on 3/21/24 at 12:31 pm to sta4ever
LSU Fans LOVE Coaches being fired...even if it 2 years after winning a National Championship let alone a Final Four.
Posted on 3/21/24 at 12:47 pm to WDAIII
By and large LSU basketball has been a disaster over the past 50 years.
Posted on 3/21/24 at 12:48 pm to hsgeoboy
Brady deserved a lot more rope than he was given. Not only did he get a team to the Final 4, he coached the team for several years under seriously heavy sanctions.
Posted on 3/21/24 at 12:48 pm to ProjectP2294
He's more personable now compared to back then. He would have seldom ever stopped to talk to people but he does it now much easier.
Posted on 3/21/24 at 12:52 pm to hsgeoboy
Things I have heard.
I have heard that Brady despised the AAU system and the influence those coaches have. While is probably not that uncommon few coaches are vocal about it and, as I recall, Brady was The result was that it impacted recruiting, as I understand it.
I also heard Brady didn't like schmoozing with the high-dollar boosters and pissed a few of those off.
If those two things are indeed correct then the resulting slide in recruiting translated into declining performance and gave those influential boosters who did not like him the ammo to have him escorted from the building. But also if they are true his departure was probably inevitable. He seems like a different person now, though.
I don't know if those things were a fact, just an often repeated thing back then in the circles I talked with, not real connected.
I have heard that Brady despised the AAU system and the influence those coaches have. While is probably not that uncommon few coaches are vocal about it and, as I recall, Brady was The result was that it impacted recruiting, as I understand it.
I also heard Brady didn't like schmoozing with the high-dollar boosters and pissed a few of those off.
If those two things are indeed correct then the resulting slide in recruiting translated into declining performance and gave those influential boosters who did not like him the ammo to have him escorted from the building. But also if they are true his departure was probably inevitable. He seems like a different person now, though.
I don't know if those things were a fact, just an often repeated thing back then in the circles I talked with, not real connected.
Posted on 3/21/24 at 12:52 pm to hsgeoboy
I have heard Brady talk about his time at LSU and the mistakes he made. He got very paranoid with Dale still being in BR and around the program. He said usually when you take over a program the outgoing coach is usually fired and doesn't stick around. Dale was in the building a lot and Brady got paranoid and thought Dale was undermining him. I think Brady was a good X and o coach but was very hard on the players. That wore thin with many of them.
Posted on 3/21/24 at 1:20 pm to lsufan1971
Also had more technical fouls called on him for leaving the coaching box than any other coach I've seen
I don't think I ever saw him actually sit. I'll always remember there being at least one guy that would yell at the games "GET IN THE frickING BOX BRADY" I think at one point they had a guy (I'm assuming grad student) follow him around and pull him back when he walked over the line
I don't think I ever saw him actually sit. I'll always remember there being at least one guy that would yell at the games "GET IN THE frickING BOX BRADY" I think at one point they had a guy (I'm assuming grad student) follow him around and pull him back when he walked over the line
Posted on 3/21/24 at 1:25 pm to hsgeoboy
We went to the final four. I was always a big fan of Brady. He is a nice guy. Talked to him several times.
At the time, the year after the final four was so up and down after such a strong year. Struggled with getting along with players and keeping them. Then the following year, had a very talented roster but started off bad. It was time for him to move on. He is so defensive minded. Very old school coach. Butch Pierre should have been the next coach at lsu imo.
At the time, the year after the final four was so up and down after such a strong year. Struggled with getting along with players and keeping them. Then the following year, had a very talented roster but started off bad. It was time for him to move on. He is so defensive minded. Very old school coach. Butch Pierre should have been the next coach at lsu imo.
Posted on 3/21/24 at 1:26 pm to WaterLink
quote:
That Tennessee game right after Brady was fired, man that would have been such a big win. You could tell the guys left their heart on the floor. If only Chris Johnson had laid it up on the offensive board instead of trying to dunk it at the end, the basket would have counted and we go to OT.
I was at that game. The deaf dome was back. I completely forgot about the last play until you reminded me. Wow great memories
Posted on 3/21/24 at 1:37 pm to hsgeoboy
Trent Johnson for X/O’s and butch Pierre as the recruiter could’ve done something.
Posted on 3/21/24 at 1:42 pm to Tiger Ugly
quote:Yeah, it was a painful conclusion to a great Final Four travel experience- we made a family trip of it. Had a great time talking trash back and forth with the Gator fans, the George Mason fans were just thrilled to be there so nobody messed with them; they knew they would lose and just enjoyed everything. The UCLA fans were snobby and aloof.
It was a very ugly game, I had the misfortune of being there - low scoring like 58-46 or something like that.
Best description I could give, you saw 3 fanbases (LSU, Fla and George Mason) rocking team gear, drinking a lot of beer at the team "bars", and wandering about. And then you had the Cali boys with designer jeans smugly off to the side, smirking at everyone.
I wanted to kick my brother's arse- he booked the hotels for us, and we settled into a nice one (Marriot, I think?). Like I said, almost everything we had to wear was purple and gold.
Came down to the lobby the next morning after arriving, and discovered we were in UCLA's official HQ hotel
. No way to hide, and we had to go through their crowds after they beat us. I had tickets for every game including the finals, and they were so obnoxious I went and found Gators fans to sell at cheap discount. I initially considered selling to UCLA fans as they offered more, but they were SO condescending I refused to do so.
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