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re: Why softball's run to CWS is a BIG deal for LSU long term

Posted on 5/29/12 at 11:01 am to
Posted by Bubba Hotep
Member since Nov 2003
9330 posts
Posted on 5/29/12 at 11:01 am to
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i could care less about programs that run huge decifits


Most programs at most schools run deficits. Few are profitable.

LSU's baseball program did not turn a profit for most of its history, I believe until the past decade.
Posted by macanLSU
Wilmington, NC
Member since Sep 2008
445 posts
Posted on 5/29/12 at 11:16 am to
To be a national power in softball LSU can't rely heavily on Louisiana/local prospects (unlike football). Reaching WCWS is very important in attracting interest of players from all over the country. GEAUX LADY TIGERS in WCWS!!!
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 5/29/12 at 11:45 am to
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Rouge
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not really. in an age where budgets mean everything, i could care less about programs that run huge decifits, successful or not

women's basketball at a peak of success proved that they cannot support themselves

maybe softball could be different, but i wouldnt get my hopes up







The University is going to consume any profit the AD generates anyway due to the governmental kick-the-can approach of the Legislature & its Ringmaster, Bobby J and the fact that he has not fixed the Higher Ed/Healthcare chopping block situation that occurs anytime there's a deficit.

He'd rather win a few fights than be known for winning a war that Edwin Edwards started back in '72.

So who cares if they turn a profit or not? LSU Football, Baseball & Basketball will have money spent on them in whatever quantity is necessary to compete at the highest level. Anything left over as lagniappe that the Department turns a profit with will go to the Univeristy side to prop up budget cuts they unfairly shoulder the burden of come Appropriations time at the Capital.

Your argument starts out sounding somewhat salient, but its empty because your logic is empty-headed. You clearly haven't thought the situation through, or are just somewhat ignorant about the economic realities of the University, how they've impacted the AD and the reasoning for those changes & impacts.
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
136810 posts
Posted on 5/29/12 at 11:51 am to
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because your logic is empty-headed
i'd rather pay a woman's coach $200K and spend the rest of the money on coaches of programs that make money

that is not empty headed
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
45050 posts
Posted on 5/29/12 at 11:55 am to
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LSU Football, Baseball & Basketball will have money spent on them in whatever quantity is necessary to compete at the highest level.


as they should
Posted by CougarBait
on catnip in a cougar's den
Member since Jun 2007
1977 posts
Posted on 5/29/12 at 12:08 pm to
We have a softball team?
Posted by secman12
Lake Charles
Member since Apr 2011
1212 posts
Posted on 5/29/12 at 12:12 pm to
To be a national power in softball LSU can't rely heavily on Louisiana/local prospects

agreed, but keeping LA talent is big,

as OP, I would prefer that the $ impact be a separate thread- again, if we are going to have a sport (due to title IX, or whatever the reason) we should win or at least try to and that this is good for all sports...everyone else in d1 football has to have sports that "lose" money so the arguments that we should cut the "money losers" is futile and we do not have all the facts anyway! because LSU is self funding in the AD and has TAF etc., it is tough to talk "profit" because there are so many factors- for example, how do the accountants allocate use of the PMAC, weight rooms etc.
Posted by catnip
Member since Sep 2003
16341 posts
Posted on 5/29/12 at 12:35 pm to
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LA recruits prefring LSU would be a major thing.


Wish this is true. Looking at the 4A all-state team and Shellie Landry(St Thomas More)most valuble, going to ULL. She is a top hitter and that's what the Tiger need along with the pitching. Seems that Geraurd when she took the job here must have thought that national recruiting would make a difference here. But all that California talent hasn't really panned out. She signed second rated players who UCLA and the pac-10 didn't want. So ULL is doing it with home grown players(Brignac and Orgeron).
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 5/29/12 at 12:39 pm to
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Rouge
quote:

i'd rather pay a woman's coach $200K and spend the rest of the money on coaches of programs that make money

that is not empty headed


Okay, give me one example of the Baseball, Basketball or Football team being denied any expenditure at the hands of salaries or facilities requests being fulfilled for Olympic Sports Coaches first?

Should I grab a Snickers?

The point is that you can't because as I said, the big 3 Revenue Producers for LSU will have money spent on them and money spent for them exactly as the heads of those programs see fit. No one in Men's Swimming & Diving will eat a steak while Johnny Jones Basketball Players have to eat Hot Pockets, I assure you.

You have a keyboard and an opinion, & exactly zero facts backing it up. You're ignorant of the reality of the situation, and yet you keep typing.

Admit it. Move on. Its kinda obvious.
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
45050 posts
Posted on 5/29/12 at 12:40 pm to
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The point is that you can't because as I said, the big 3 Revenue Producers for LSU will have money spent on them and money spent for them exactly as the heads of those programs see fit. No one in Men's Swimming & Diving will eat a steak while Johnny Jones Basketball Players have to eat Hot Pockets, I assure you.


as they should
Posted by saintsfan22
baton rouge
Member since May 2006
71599 posts
Posted on 5/29/12 at 12:41 pm to
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weren't you bashing the hire recently and the team recently?


It was more a hatred for DD Breaux and Nikki Caldwell having a baby. But generally he loves to complain about our minor sports.
This post was edited on 5/29/12 at 12:42 pm
Posted by Camp Randall
The Shadow of the Valley of Death
Member since Nov 2005
15590 posts
Posted on 5/29/12 at 1:10 pm to
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I always pull for all LSU teams, but I am going to be honest, it is softball, about 100 people actually care.


Ditto. I overheard a group of men from ULL this weekend talking in great detail about their Woman's Softball team. I just had to shake my head. It's fricking women's softball....get a life.
Posted by tigerburningbright75
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since May 2011
1063 posts
Posted on 5/29/12 at 1:20 pm to
I don't think UL's got the better program at all. Based on what? Beating up on defenseless Sun Belt teams and losing out to Pac-12 teams in postseason? They've been doing that for years.
Posted by joeleblanc
Member since Jan 2012
4114 posts
Posted on 5/29/12 at 1:27 pm to
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I don't think UL's got the better program at all. Based on what? Beating up on defenseless Sun Belt teams and losing out to Pac-12 teams in postseason? They've been doing that for years.


I guess the only way to find out is to play each other, which LSU apparently won't do. The Sun Belt teams this year are the only teams that beat them on the regular schedule. They did manage to beat Az. State, Michigan, Hofstra(all away games), all teams in the regionals. LSU is a victim of being in the SEC and it shows. Didn't win conference, didn't win SEC tourney, didn't finish in the top 25 but still got invited to the regionals. I do have a question though. With all the banter about a football team not winning its conference but playing for the National Championship, does that same logic pertain to any other sport? or just football?????
Posted by watsonlabman
Lake Jackson, Tx
Member since Feb 2008
462 posts
Posted on 5/29/12 at 1:29 pm to
The new coach is also able to sell new recruits on helping get them to the NPF. (Mack taken 1st in draft to USSSA Pride)

Torina currently serves as an assistant coach under Florida head coach Tim Walton for the USSSA Pride of the National Pro Fastpitch League.
Posted by tigerburningbright75
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since May 2011
1063 posts
Posted on 5/29/12 at 1:41 pm to
The only good team that ULL beat on the road was Arizona St. in the first game of the Super Regional. Hofstra and and Michigan were neutral site games. LSU has 4 road wins against Top 10 RPI teams. Two against Texas A&M and two against Missouri. LSU didn't win it's conference? So what? ULL got 8-run ruled when it mattered most. They won't play each other? LSU leads ULL 13-6 all-time in head to head matchups and it's 4-4 in post-season play. You want to keep debating this? That's fine by me.
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
24003 posts
Posted on 5/29/12 at 1:42 pm to
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fricking women's softball


As opposed to LSU men's softball?
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
24003 posts
Posted on 5/29/12 at 1:49 pm to
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i'd rather pay a woman's coach $200K and spend the rest of the money on coaches of programs that make money that is not empty headed


You guys keep talking about programs/sports that make money. You are aware that there are only, I think, 14 total athletic departments in the NCAA that operate in the black. (I want to say Mark Emmert said that when he was here last year for something.) LSU is one of them. I guess those 300-ish other schools should just stop playing sports altogether.
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
136810 posts
Posted on 5/29/12 at 1:50 pm to
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Most programs at most schools run deficits. Few are profitable.

LSU's baseball program did not turn a profit for most of its history, I believe until the past decade.





very true. we reached a pinnacle of success, and the fanbase decided to support them

in kind, the women's basketball program aso reached a pinnacle of success and could not average 60% capacity of the arena for any season, in turn, they lost money

i know i sound like some sort of crazy logical hardass, but throwing money into wells that never produce just does not make very much sense
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
45050 posts
Posted on 5/29/12 at 1:53 pm to
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LSU is one of them. I guess those 300-ish other schools should just stop playing sports altogether.


No because the schools pay for those sports while LSU's is completely funded by the athletic department and not the school itself. And the ONLY reason LSU is one of them is because of the football program...and baseball pretty much breaking even.
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