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re: Why I hate only 4 teams in the playoffs
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:21 am to ballscaster
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:21 am to ballscaster
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Unrealistic, unreasonable, poorly-thought-out.
solid analysis. Very compelling. I liked the part where you said nothing of substance and looked like a fricking dumbass.
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Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:24 am to The Mick
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2007 LSU was put in the NC game with 2 losses
With a playoff, 2 more 2 loss teams would have been in, what's your point?
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:36 am to Tiger Voodoo
The better precedent for Bama fans should be 2006 when Michigan and Ohio St were "clearly the two best teams" but after a close late season game, the BCS wisely spurned the rematch. Bc either USC or Florida were available, although Florida was expected to lose bad. But the eye test was invented in 2011 for one team only so Michigan had to sit down.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:39 am to sjmabry
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Win and get in without needing help
Yeah no shite but that didn't happen and this is a message board where it's ok to talk hypotheticals. No one needs your homespun wisdom, Capt Obvious.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:43 am to Bayoufightingtiger
Four teams is plenty. We have a fair chance to win the SEC West every year, which means we have a fair chance to win the SEC every year. There won't be a 2004 Auburn team again.
Even if we don't win the SEC West, it's not crazy that we might still have a chance in most years.
I don't think we need to replay the same games, and I think it's ridiculous to tell someone to play 13 games and even if they win all of them that they have to now win three more.
Even if we don't win the SEC West, it's not crazy that we might still have a chance in most years.
I don't think we need to replay the same games, and I think it's ridiculous to tell someone to play 13 games and even if they win all of them that they have to now win three more.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:47 am to Datbayoubengal
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People that keep yapping on about diminishing the regular season in FBS will watch every other level of team sports in existence that has a larger playoff, and be perfectly fine with it.
Nope. The reason I love college football is because the regular season matters so damn much. I do not want it to become more like pro sports.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:47 am to BayouBlogger
I'd like 6 teams myself. That'd ensure no worthy team gets left out. I can't name any year where the #7 and 8 teams were worthy of being champion.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 5:04 am to ballscaster
8 might be better but if a one loss Florida team goes to the playoffs and we don't there is nothing to cry about. No conference should ever send more than one team to a four team playoff.
If you lose your conf. then you have already lost the NC!
If you win your conf. then you have shown on the field that you have won against your own conference and now it is time to take on the others. Conf. Champion is the representative for the conference. PERIOD!
If you lose your conf. then you have already lost the NC!
If you win your conf. then you have shown on the field that you have won against your own conference and now it is time to take on the others. Conf. Champion is the representative for the conference. PERIOD!
Posted on 11/11/15 at 5:28 am to Bayoufightingtiger
A one loss SEC team is more deserving most of the time than a conference champ in another conference. Not everyone is on the same playing level. Norte Dame is independent and controls their schedule and not every conference has a championship game. 4 team playoffs do not work in any other sport so why should in work in the most popular most in college athletics?
Posted on 11/11/15 at 5:44 am to navy
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Why I hate only 4 teams in the playoffs
Stop diminishing the regular season.
4 is enough
dumbest reason that people say about messing up the regular season , just the opposite .....
You would have more interest and more importance for more teams if their were an 8 team playoff ......
It makes zero sense to have a four team playoff with five power conferences..... As another poster said conference champs from power 5 and 3 at large ......;
Posted on 11/11/15 at 5:48 am to omegaman66
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ve shown on the field that you have won against your own conference and now it is time to take on the others. Conf. Champion is the representative for the conference. PERIOD!
A lot of the time more than one team from a conference is deserving , if you are a conference champ you get a higher seed .....
Posted on 11/11/15 at 6:19 am to Bayoufightingtiger
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I have a feeling we would still get screwed
Then go with your gut and don't start a thread.
LSU is not Bama. Our losses count and they hurt. LSU's standard is to win the SECW, SECCG, and do it with a tough schedule.
All Bama has to do is finish third in the SEC and beat one ranked team. And that standard was set when there was a two team "playoff". LOL
Get over it and know your place.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 9:45 am to biglego
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The better precedent for Bama fans should be 2006 when Michigan and Ohio St were "clearly the two best teams" but after a close late season game, the BCS wisely spurned the rematch. Bc either USC or Florida were available, although Florida was expected to lose bad. But the eye test was invented in 2011 for one team only so Michigan had to sit down.
Exactly. I almost talked about 06 in my original response but it was late.
It's easy to forget given the dominance of the SEC that started with that UF win over OSU, but the SEC was not considered then the juggernaut it is considered now. An undefeated Auburn had just been left out two years earlier. Florida was a huge underdog in the BCSCG and I would argue that Michigan would have have had a smaller spread.
Michigan was #2 for six weeks before losing to #1 OSU, and after the loss they only fell one spot to #3, an even smaller drop than Bama's two spot drop in 2011, still ahead of #4 Florida.
But the following week, while Michigan sat at home, Florida went and beat #8 Arkansas to win the SEC, so the pollsters then rightfully jumped the Gators over Michigan to ensure that another conference would have their chance to "settle it on the field", even though many of those voters would have thought Michigan was better than Florida and had a better shot to beat OSU.
But it was the right thing to give another team and conference a chance.
While in 2011, #3 Oklahoma State beat #13 Oklahoma to win the Big 12 while Alabama was sitting at home SECCG weekend, and OSU made no movement in the polls, stayed stuck at #3 and even dropped on several coaches' ballots, including Saban's, to as low as #6.
It was a horrible and unethical manipulation of the system, and that was the only thing that allowed the injustice of the Rematch to play out.
It's so easy for the media and Bama fanbase to say well yeah but we won so obviously we deserved to be there, but that is complete horseshite.
Who is to say that Michigan wouldn't have beaten OSU if given the Rematch in 06?? Would that have made Florida somehow not as good or as deserving as we all saw they were??
The bottom line is all these media hacks always preach about "settling it on the field", and yet, in 2011 they refused to allow ALL of the best teams a chance to do so.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 9:48 am to Tiger Voodoo
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The bottom line is all these media hacks always preach about "settling it on the field", and yet, in 2011 they refused to allow ALL of the best teams a chance to do so.
As soon as fans can accept there are different standards for different teams, your enjoyment of the sport will increase.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 9:51 am to navy
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Stop diminishing the regular season.
this argument is so retarded. Games are more important now than before a playoff. More teams and fans still have a shot to make a playoff...making the game more interesting. Should be 8 teams minimum. Posted on 11/11/15 at 10:00 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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As soon as fans can accept there are different standards for different teams, your enjoyment of the sport will increase.
Oh dude I accepted that years ago, even before the Rematch. It's why I'm one of the biggest Miles supporters on here and don't get all bent out of shape because we haven't been able to get over the Bama hump recently.
While we have games that we lose that we shouldn't or don't look as good as wed all like, just like every other team, including Bama, I honestly think Miles has this program about as close to it's ceiling as possible when it comes to consistency, recruiting both in state and nationally, building a staff, and overall identity and values of the program.
He has raised us to a level beyond where we were when Saban was here, and I honestly can't think of any other coach that would do better over the long term other than maybe Meyer, who I don't trust or respect, Harbaugh, who would only have come to college for his alma mater, or Carroll, who I'm pretty sure is already gainfully employed.
I like Fisher a lot, not any more than Miles but not any less, but he is in a perfect situation in the ACC, and anyone the thinks that he is just longing to leave that job to return to BR just needs to get over themselves. It would be a lateral move, at BEST, and we wouldn't be able to outbid FSU anyway.
But this all started because some Gump came on here babbling about Florida in 96 to justify Bama in 2011, and I just can't abide bullshite like that
Posted on 11/11/15 at 10:04 am to Bayoufightingtiger
In 2011 Bama was the best team. The BCD was set up to match the two best teams in the championship game. Bama proved they were better in the dome. LSU fans need to accept that.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 10:43 am to biglego
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I'd like 6 teams myself. That'd ensure no worthy team gets left out. I can't name any year where the #7 and 8 teams were worthy of being champion
If they beat three playoff teams I think they would make a case.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 10:53 am to Bayoufightingtiger
I don't have anything witty/funny to open this so I'll just start:
Not likely. Bama would be jacked as hell for this game and Derrick Henry would just run a train over the Gators, and if that didn't work Riddley and the other guy they have at receiver would make enough plays along with the Bama D to win the game. Bama represents SEC in the Playoff.
hypothetically if Florida beats Bama:
Florida goes and is the only SEC representative in the CFP. LSU gets left out having not gone to the conference championship game, also having not won their division. Yes, we beat Florida head-to-head, but we still lost to Bama, whom Florida beat to win the conference.
there was no committee in 2011. it was still the BCS system and the voters somehow gifted Bama a rematch because they thought that BigXII, B1G10, Pac10, and ACC conference champs all were somehow not worthy to play LSU.
either way...if we win out and Bama doesn't lose, we are left out. there is no possibility for a reverse 2011 scenario. The CFP Committee has seen that happen once and they won't let it happen again.
Bottome line, the Playoff needs to be expanded to 8 teams.
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Florida beats Bama in the SEC championship game.
Not likely. Bama would be jacked as hell for this game and Derrick Henry would just run a train over the Gators, and if that didn't work Riddley and the other guy they have at receiver would make enough plays along with the Bama D to win the game. Bama represents SEC in the Playoff.
hypothetically if Florida beats Bama:
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Florida then gets a playoff spot and has only one loss which was to LSU. LSU wins the rest of their games and then we have an argument on our hands because we beat them head to head.
Florida goes and is the only SEC representative in the CFP. LSU gets left out having not gone to the conference championship game, also having not won their division. Yes, we beat Florida head-to-head, but we still lost to Bama, whom Florida beat to win the conference.
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Back in the 2011 season, Bama was awarded a rematch with us and the committee determined LSU and Bama were the 2 best teams in the country
there was no committee in 2011. it was still the BCS system and the voters somehow gifted Bama a rematch because they thought that BigXII, B1G10, Pac10, and ACC conference champs all were somehow not worthy to play LSU.
either way...if we win out and Bama doesn't lose, we are left out. there is no possibility for a reverse 2011 scenario. The CFP Committee has seen that happen once and they won't let it happen again.
Bottome line, the Playoff needs to be expanded to 8 teams.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 11:42 am to Bayoufightingtiger
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screwed. Thoughts?
This is why the playoff was created. To weaken the SEC. If you run the computer rankings every year, 8 SEC teams are in the top 25. They can't have that kind of domination, because no one else "gets a chance".
Having a 4 team playoff limits the SEC to one team having a shot, instead of 3 like 4 years ago with the BCS. The 4 team playoff is basically affirmative action for the rest of the conferences.
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