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re: Why did the clock keep running after our WR went OOB on final drive?
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:23 pm to SoFunnyItsNot
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:23 pm to SoFunnyItsNot
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You are wrong. You must be going forward for the clock to stop. But as usual lsu fans "the refs beat us!!!." It was the correct call
I'd have to go back and look, but pretty sure they delayed the clock for auburn when they were trying to score at half when it should have been running.
The game was poorly officiated, again.
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Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:27 pm to SECond2none™
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And I posted one that says I'm right.
The rule book trumps any anecdotal evidence you have. According to the rules, which is the point of this thread, you and the officials at Auburn are wrong.
This post was edited on 9/27/16 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:28 pm to SECond2none™
quote:We got fricked in 2014 against Bama then on their last drive. They ran straight sideways multiple times. Here being one of them at the 2:25:34 mark
You have to be moving forwards. If you're moving sideways the clock is supposed to run. There are several examples of this every Saturday and Sunday. How much football do you watch?
He actually sees our guy about to hit him in bounds so he runs out of bounds at a slightly backwards angle
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This post was edited on 9/27/16 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:30 pm to idlewatcher
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Just chill out, we got a new coach out of the deal
When the new coach can't win these games, will you hate him as much too?
Saban couldn't win those games either.
Of course, now he's at Bama where he doesn't have to worry about those little things like holding, bad calls, etc. LOL
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:30 pm to LNCHBOX
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Congrats in listing those NFL rulings from the first Google result that comes up. My rules and rulings direct from the NCAA trump what you posted.
From the mouth of an NCAA official:
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Application of the forward progress rules also requires a subjective approach. This is when officials are called upon to use their judgment and make a decision that the ball carrier is no longer advancing toward his opponent’s goal line. Is the runner moving forward, sideways, or
backward? If the runner’s momentum is no longer going forward his progress has stopped. If the runner’s movement is solely sideways toward the sideline his forward progress has stopped.
Although the rule no longer uses the language: in the grasp of an opponent”; philosophically it is implied through tradition. Both high school and college rules deem the ball dead and forward progress stopped when the ball carries is “held so his (forward advancing) progress is stopped” (Federation Rule 4-2-2-a; NCAA Rule 4-1-3-a). NCAA Rule 4-1-3-a states that the ball becomes dead
“when the runner is so held that his forward progress is stopped.” Officials must determine if the opponent of the runner has sufficiently held or grasped the runner so as to have stopped his forward movement. This action is what kills the play not the whistle. A quick whistle can get an
official into trouble, but too much of delayed whistle can also cause problems. A quick whistle may lead to an inadvertent whistle. A slow whistle may allow for the ball to become loose or a player to become injured, etc. Therefore, officials must know when the forward movement has stopped.
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Usually when a runner tries to go out of Bounds but his "Forward Progress" is stopped inbounds and then he goes out of bounds, the clock will continue to run. The covering official will been seen by winding is arm in several revolutions to signal the runner did not kill the clock and that his forward progress was stopped in bounds before stepping out of bounds.
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Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:31 pm to Festus
quote:whelp, after reading that I am now pissed about the 2014 Bama game all over again
From the mouth of an NCAA official:
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:34 pm to Festus
So the quick whistle was incorrect. Thanks for furthering my point.
It's almost never called that way, and the rulings disagree with that opinion.
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Usually when a runner tries to go out of Bounds but his "Forward Progress" is stopped inbounds and then he goes out of bounds, the clock will continue to run.
It's almost never called that way, and the rulings disagree with that opinion.
This post was edited on 9/27/16 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:34 pm to lsupride87
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whelp, after reading that I am now pissed about the 2014 Bama game all over again
It's just hitting you that was another stolen game? LOL
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:38 pm to LNCHBOX
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So the quick whistle was incorrect. Thanks for furthering my point.
You truly are a proud, cantankerous arse that refuses to ever admit when he is wrong. Ever.
The rule reference is as follows:
4-2-2 The ball becomes dead and the down is ended:
a. When a runner goes out of bounds, is held so his forward progress is stopped or allows any part of his person other than hand or foot to touch the ground.
If the down ends with the runner in bounds by virtue of his forward progress being stopped, there is no 3-4-4 provision that would lead to the clock being stopped even though the runner might end up OOB.
I truly expect that you will never admit that you are wrong on this, and will continue to argue until you basically run everyone out of this thread who is tired of hearing you make excuses. But I just referenced the exact rule for you.
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It's almost never called that way
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:39 pm to Number 31
If forward progress is awarded and the ball spotted at a point beyond where the player went out of bounds, then the clock keeps running.
That makes sense, but I have always thought the offense should have the option of stopping the clock and spotting the ball where it went out of bounds.
That makes sense, but I have always thought the offense should have the option of stopping the clock and spotting the ball where it went out of bounds.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:40 pm to Number 31
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What a weird interpretation.
it was the correct call...
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:40 pm to Number 31
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Why did the clock keep running after our WR went OOB on final drive?
Better question: why didn't they put the clock back to 0:02 after the 1st down throw?
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:43 pm to LNCHBOX
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It's almost never called that way, and the rulings disagree with that opinion.
It is called that way all the time. I've seen countless plays on the sidelines where a receiver is grabbed in bounds, held, and goes out of bounds going sideways or backwards and the officials keep the play going.
It is a judgment call. I cannot recall the exact circumstances with which our WR went out of bounds Saturday night, but if he was grabbed and forward progress was stopped in bounds, continuing to run the clock is an acceptable result.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:43 pm to Number 31
Why did the clock keep running after our WR went OOB on final drive?
If you paid attention to the ref that made the decision to keep clock running spotted the ball from 1 to 2 yards shy for LSU several times but on that play he spotted the ball 1 yard farther than where receiver went out of bounds so he could claim forward progress and keep clock running. Also no one is mentioning that the clock started without the ball being marked for play. That's on the replay official. He knew that but stuck with not snapped on time.
If you paid attention to the ref that made the decision to keep clock running spotted the ball from 1 to 2 yards shy for LSU several times but on that play he spotted the ball 1 yard farther than where receiver went out of bounds so he could claim forward progress and keep clock running. Also no one is mentioning that the clock started without the ball being marked for play. That's on the replay official. He knew that but stuck with not snapped on time.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:45 pm to OldSarge38
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Also no one is mentioning that the clock started without the ball being marked for play. That's on the replay official. He knew that but stuck with not snapped on time.
I think the clock starts when the chains are set, at least marking the new LOS, not when the ball is marked ready for play.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:46 pm to lsupride87
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We got fricked in 2014 against Bama then on their last drive. They ran straight sideways multiple times. Here being one of them at the 2:25:34 mark
If it is done under his own volition, forward progress wasn't stopped. Think of it like short run that is stuffed and then the ball carrier breaks free and runs around the pile only to be tackled for a larger loss. If your forward progress wasn't stopped in the judgment of the referee, then the ball is still live and you have to accept the lost yards. If you forward progress is stopped, the ball is dead where the progress stopped.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:46 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Better question: why didn't they put the clock back to 0:02 after the 1st down throw?
because the rule is the clock stops when the referee signals the play is over, not when the WR is down. There's always a slight delay for that to occur. Again, this happens all the time.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:48 pm to OldSarge38
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Also no one is mentioning that the clock started without the ball being marked for play. That's on the replay official. He knew that but stuck with not snapped on time.
The clock starts on the ready for play signal from the referee in that situation. I don't recall an angle that showed the referee making that signal one way or the other.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:48 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:If you would read my posts instead of just blankly arguing you would see that I posted the NCAA rule and even bolded it for you. As for the anecdotal evidence, it's real world situations of the rule being applied just as I interpret it, and have seen it enforced for years. You remember you said you've never seen it enforced that way? I'm trying to enlighten you, but you are too close minded.
The rule book trumps any anecdotal evidence you have. According to the rules, which is the point of this thread, you and the officials at Auburn are wrong.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:50 pm to LNCHBOX
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It's almost never called that way, and the rulings disagree with that opinion.
You're wrong.
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