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re: Why did the clock keep running after our WR went OOB on final drive?
Posted on 9/27/16 at 1:40 pm to Number 31
Posted on 9/27/16 at 1:40 pm to Number 31
I want to know why this rule did not apply to the last play. This was posted on the Scoreboard after the game but I did not see any good answer. All of this info is straight from the NCAA rule book for 2016...
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10-Second Runoff from Game Clock--Foul
ARTICLE 4. a. With the game clock running and less than one minute remaining in either half, before a change of team possession if either team commits a foul that causes the clock to stop immediately, the officials may subtract 10 seconds from the game clock at the option of the offended team. The fouls that fall in this category include but are not limited to:
1. Any foul that prevents the snap (e.g., false start, encroachment, defensive offside by contact in the neutral zone, etc.) (A.R. 3-4-4III);
2. Intentional grounding to stop the clock;
3. Incomplete illegal forward pass;
4. Backward pass thrown out of bounds to stop the clock;
5. Any other foul committed with the intent of stopping the clock.
The offended team may accept the yardage penalty and decline the 10-second runoff. If the yardage penalty is declined the 10-second runoff is declined by rule.
b. The 10-second rule does not apply if the game clock is not running when the foul occurs or if the foul does not cause the game clock to stop immediately (e.g., illegal formation).
c. After the penalty is administered, if there is a 10-second runoff, the game clock starts on the referee’s signal. If there is no 10-second runoff, the game clock starts on the snap.
d. If the fouling team has a timeout remaining they may avoid the 10-second runoff by using a timeout. In this case the game clock starts on the snap after the timeout.
e. The 10-second runoff does not apply when there are offsetting fouls. (A.R. 3-4-4-IV)
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Posted on 9/27/16 at 1:42 pm to Number 31
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I'm not a rule expert, but I've never seen it called that way before. Not even once.
I've seen it plenty of times when a guy is held up or contact is made and then they go sideways out of bounds.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 1:42 pm to LNCHBOX
You just proved you didn't read them. Its both college and nfl.the rule is the same. And the first quote is the ncaa rule book. Keep sticking your head in the sand.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 1:44 pm to slackster
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Forward progress was ruled to be stopped in bounds. It was a judgment call, and probably a bad one, but it happens.
it was actually the right call.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 1:47 pm to Number 31
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Also, if Etling didn't get the final snap off on time, shouldn't the play have been blown dead before the snap? If they allowed the ball to be snapped then he got it off on time.
Agreed and should not be a reviewable issue if play was allowed to happen
Posted on 9/27/16 at 1:47 pm to LNCHBOX
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No. When a player is attempting to get out of bounds and gets out, the clock stops.
that's just flat-out wrong.
Either you're incapable of rationally seeing the situation because you're a homer, or you don't know the rule. Either one is bad.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 1:48 pm to MIKEDATIGER
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Agreed and should not be a reviewable issue if play was allowed to happen
Im more surprised they didn't catch it real time. It wasn't even close.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 1:49 pm to MIKEDATIGER
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Also, if Etling didn't get the final snap off on time, shouldn't the play have been blown dead before the snap? If they allowed the ball to be snapped then he got it off on time.
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Agreed and should not be a reviewable issue if play was allowed to happen
No.
Referees are told to let "iffy" plays continue because if they DID get the snap off in time, they want the play to continue. They can always review it.
Same for fumbles - the refs are taught to not blow a play dead and let the call on the field be a fumble if it's close, so that the teams fight for the recovery and then replay sorts out whether it was a fumble or not. If refs blow it dead, then even with review, it's difficult to award possession to the defense, unless the recovery was immediate by the defense, even after the whistle. Much cleaner to let the play go, and then let replay sort it out. It's actually a good thing that they do this.
This post was edited on 9/27/16 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 9/27/16 at 1:50 pm to atltiger6487
quote:Makes sense
Referees are told to let "iffy" plays continue because if they DID get the snap off in time, they want the play to continue. They can always review it.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 1:51 pm to Number 31
You aren't going to win a whole lot of games in this conference hoping for "gimme's" if you're LSU. If you can't beat either Auburn, Bama, or Ole Miss straight up in this league, you're not going to get the calls. Sucks but that's the way it is and Les had been around here long enough to know it.
If you're down by less than 3-7 and the clock isn't on your side, you have to know where you are. Same time, if you're up by 3-7 with less than a minute, you have to know where those teams are. SEC officials aren't in the business of making sure shite goes LSU's way. We haven't paid off the right people yet.
If you're down by less than 3-7 and the clock isn't on your side, you have to know where you are. Same time, if you're up by 3-7 with less than a minute, you have to know where those teams are. SEC officials aren't in the business of making sure shite goes LSU's way. We haven't paid off the right people yet.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 1:53 pm to Number 31
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I've never seen that interpretation called before.
you must not watch much football, because it happens all the time.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 1:54 pm to LNCHBOX
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I do actually. He wasn't driven back and just had his progress stopped. He made the effort to get out and made it./ The clock should have been stopped.
this is absolutely wrong
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:05 pm to Salmon
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this is absolutely wrong
Yea, frick what the rules say, huh?
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:06 pm to atltiger6487
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that's just flat-out wrong.
Either you're incapable of rationally seeing the situation because you're a homer, or you don't know the rule. Either one is bad.
I posted the rules and ruling with regard to the time in the game, feel free to show me how it's wrong.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:07 pm to SECond2none™
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You just proved you didn't read them. Its both college and nfl.the rule is the same. And the first quote is the ncaa rule book. Keep sticking your head in the sand.
The rules back me up, you can keep trying with the insults though.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:08 pm to LNCHBOX
I have not insulted you at all. Don't be sensitive. It's not my fault you're not familiar with football.
This post was edited on 9/27/16 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:09 pm to SECond2none™
The NCAA rule book says you're wrong. If anyone has their head in the sand, it's you.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:14 pm to LNCHBOX
And I posted one that says I'm right. And it's enforced on the field the way I say. Go figure.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:14 pm to MIKEDATIGER
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Agreed and should not be a reviewable issue if play was allowed to happen
Any egregious game clock error is reviewable. The last play would fall in that category.
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ARTICLE 7. No other plays or officiating decisions are reviewable. However, the replay official may correct egregious errors, including those involving the game clock, whether or not a play is reviewable. This excludes fouls that are not specifically reviewable
As for the "early" start of the game clock posted at the top of this page...
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Second and 10 at the B-30. The game clock is running in the second half. Team A trails by two points and is out of timeouts. At the snap Team A has five players in the backfield. A22 carries for a three-yard gain to the B-27. When the ball is declared dead the game clock reads (a) 13 seconds; (b) 8 seconds. RULING: (a) and (b) Five-yard penalty, illegal formation. Second and 15 at the B-35. Because the illegal formation is not a foul that causes the clock to stop immediately, the 10-second runoff does not apply. After the penalty is administered the game clock starts on the referee’s signal.
The part quoted on the top of this page that the clock starts on the snap is only if a penalty that would result in a 10-second runoff is accepted but the 10-second runoff is declined.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:18 pm to SoFunnyItsNot
quote:This is ridiculous. I have seen 10000 times a runner go directly sideways to get out of bounds, and they always stop the clock
You are wrong. You must be going forward for the clock to stop. But as usual lsu fans "the refs beat us!!!." It was the correct call
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