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Why can't LSU afford a competent basketball coach?
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:05 am
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:05 am
I know this is probably a simple question but what is stopping a school with LSU's athletic department money from poaching an up and coming coach from a mid-tier program? No, we're not going to be able to compete for a Calipari or Pitino, but why can't we go after Gregg Marshall or Brad Underwood, etc.? We absolutely have enough in the TAF coffers to pay for a successful coach to bring our basketball program up to the level of our football and baseball teams. Is Alleva really too cheap to not compete financially with mid-major universities on something as relevant as basketball?
This post was edited on 11/17/16 at 10:06 am
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:07 am to LakeBreauxPre
What you are seeing today with Coach O is almost exactly what happened with Johnny Jones. True story.
ETA: With the exception that Johnny Jones is ACTUALLY an LSU guy and the media knighting was replaced by the alumni and basketball establishment knighting.
ETA: With the exception that Johnny Jones is ACTUALLY an LSU guy and the media knighting was replaced by the alumni and basketball establishment knighting.
This post was edited on 11/17/16 at 10:09 am
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:07 am to LakeBreauxPre
I just had to say your username is tgoat
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:09 am to LakeBreauxPre
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Why can't LSU afford a competent basketball coach?
It's not a matter affording one. Not enough high ranking people demand high expectations from LSU basketball.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:10 am to LakeBreauxPre
Its not that we are cheap. Alleva was strong-armed by Dale Brown, Shaq & company to hire CJJ.
Since CJJ has been here there has been no real opportunity to fire him. I think LSU will pay big for their next basketball coach but that won't be for a couple more seasons.
Since CJJ has been here there has been no real opportunity to fire him. I think LSU will pay big for their next basketball coach but that won't be for a couple more seasons.
This post was edited on 11/17/16 at 10:11 am
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:10 am to LakeBreauxPre
LSU is a football school, the other sports are just time killers while waiting for the next season
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:11 am to LSU
Beyond that, the people that matter to the basketball program brass value their access, ring kissing, and Dale Brown's legacy over LSU actually being great in basketball.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:11 am to LakeBreauxPre
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I know this is probably a simple question but what is stopping a school with LSU's athletic department money from poaching an up and coming coach from a mid-tier program? No, we're not going to be able to compete for a Calipari or Pitino, but why can't we go after Gregg Marshall or Brad Underwood, etc.? We absolutely have enough in the TAF coffers to pay for a successful coach to bring our basketball program up to the level of our football and baseball teams. Is Alleva really too cheap to not compete financially with mid-major universities on something as relevant as basketball?
1. TAF doesn't pay for a basketball coach, and it's up to the AD to make hires.
2. Alleva may be a lot of things, but cheap isn't one of them.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:12 am to LakeBreauxPre
Colis Temple Sr. has to okay it.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:13 am to therick711
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What you are seeing today with Coach O is almost exactly what happened with Johnny Jones. True story.
Not a true story
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:19 am to LakeBreauxPre
I could be wrong here, but I was under the impression that it was NOT that LSU wouldn't/couldn't spend the money on a big name coach, but that a big name coach wouldn't come here because we don't put enough emphasis on basketball.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:22 am to LakeBreauxPre
Johnson left LSU kind of late in the coaching change process (early April). At that point the bad teams had already fired their coaches (in mid March or earlier) and new hires had been made. As such, Alleva was a bit behind the 8-ball in trying to bring in a new guy.
The coaching search lasted ~10 days (IIRC). Clearly Alleva was looking for someone other than Jones. If Jones was the top target from the beginning, then the coaching search would have lasted 10 minutes. After about a week or so it probably became clear that LSU was not going to get any of its top choices. Thus, with a big allumni push behind Jones and probably no one significantly better than Jones on the horizon, he just went ahead and hired Jones. However, the one good thing he did was not pay Jones a large salary. The reason was simple, there was no market for Jones outside of N. Texas and LSU. He could have gotten Jones to LSU for less than a million.
Jones isn't one of the lowest paid SEC coaches because LSU is "cheap". He's one of the lowest because LSU is the ONLY power 5 program who wants Jones as their HC. You pay someone a ton of money to keep them from leaving. There's no threat of Jones leaving, so there is no reason to pay him a huge salary.
The coaching search lasted ~10 days (IIRC). Clearly Alleva was looking for someone other than Jones. If Jones was the top target from the beginning, then the coaching search would have lasted 10 minutes. After about a week or so it probably became clear that LSU was not going to get any of its top choices. Thus, with a big allumni push behind Jones and probably no one significantly better than Jones on the horizon, he just went ahead and hired Jones. However, the one good thing he did was not pay Jones a large salary. The reason was simple, there was no market for Jones outside of N. Texas and LSU. He could have gotten Jones to LSU for less than a million.
Jones isn't one of the lowest paid SEC coaches because LSU is "cheap". He's one of the lowest because LSU is the ONLY power 5 program who wants Jones as their HC. You pay someone a ton of money to keep them from leaving. There's no threat of Jones leaving, so there is no reason to pay him a huge salary.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:22 am to SouthEndzoneTiger
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I could be wrong here, but I was under the impression that it was NOT that LSU wouldn't/couldn't spend the money on a big name coach, but that a big name coach wouldn't come here because we don't put enough emphasis on basketball.
You are wrong here.
You people forget that Trent Johnson was a major hire and a huge name that LSU shelled out cash for. Just didn't work out. Then the powers at be strong-armed to get CJJ.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:29 am to camplsu
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You are wrong here.
You people forget that Trent Johnson was a major hire and a huge name that LSU shelled out cash for. Just didn't work out. Then the powers at be strong-armed to get CJJ.
Yeah, I remember that Johnson was a bigger name coach. I think it's clear he didn't get the job done though.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 12:11 pm to Alt26
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Jones isn't one of the lowest paid SEC coaches because LSU is "cheap". He's one of the lowest because LSU is the ONLY power 5 program who wants Jones as their HC. You pay someone a ton of money to keep them from leaving. There's no threat of Jones leaving, so there is no reason to pay him a huge salary.
Sounds like you hit the nail on the head. Is it too soon for LSU to start looking for the next Head Coach?
Posted on 11/17/16 at 12:14 pm to 777Tiger
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LSU is a football school, the other sports are just time killers while waiting for the next season
I see plenty of football schools make the tournament and play in the later rounds consistently. Texas, Wisconsin, Florida, Ohio State, Oklahoma, etc. LSU has historical basketball success that lots of schools would be thrilled to have.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 12:21 pm to LSU
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It's not a matter affording one. Not enough high ranking people demand high expectations from LSU basketball.
Exactly, this is it.
Baseball replaced basketball as the No. 2 sport at LSU with most fans after Shaq left and there just aren't enough people of influence who give a shite, and the fan base seems largely ambivalent and don't bitch enough out hoops to move the needle.
The one's who do have influence, the Dale Brown Mafia, used this void to get there friend, who was really not qualified....hired.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 12:24 pm to tigerbait2010
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I just had to say your username is tgoat
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LakeBreauxPre
That is tgoat. I used to live there too
Posted on 11/17/16 at 12:28 pm to LakeBreauxPre
LSU never truly recovered from the draconian sanctions leveled by the NCAA. While there were some incremental steps forward teh program has never been able to get strong enough to survive early NBA departures.
If Jones is replaced they will need to go large and land teh biggest name possible who has been a proven winner.
Hint- maybe Billy Donovan does a Saban and realizes the professional game is not all it appears to be.
There are a handful of coaches who would never leave their current jobs. After that rank them and make them say no. This program can be special again and it is not that far away. Get a coach who can succeed while retaining the core group for 3 to 4 years. Donovan and Izzo are the models for what we need.
If Jones is replaced they will need to go large and land teh biggest name possible who has been a proven winner.
Hint- maybe Billy Donovan does a Saban and realizes the professional game is not all it appears to be.
There are a handful of coaches who would never leave their current jobs. After that rank them and make them say no. This program can be special again and it is not that far away. Get a coach who can succeed while retaining the core group for 3 to 4 years. Donovan and Izzo are the models for what we need.
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