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re: Why are all us common fans called upon
Posted on 12/14/08 at 10:56 am to BT
Posted on 12/14/08 at 10:56 am to BT
Yeah BT, I know how it works. I fail to see the logic in blaming "Joe LSU fan" though.
If a guy that makes $250,000 a year is standing on the street next to a guy that makes $50,000 a year, and a bum walks up asking for money - are you going to blame the guy that makes $50,000 a year for saying "no I'm sorry" or the guy that makes $250,000 a year?
If a guy that makes $250,000 a year is standing on the street next to a guy that makes $50,000 a year, and a bum walks up asking for money - are you going to blame the guy that makes $50,000 a year for saying "no I'm sorry" or the guy that makes $250,000 a year?
This post was edited on 12/14/08 at 10:59 am
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Posted on 12/14/08 at 11:02 am to Paul_LSU_passion
I agree with you. Pisses me off too, last year I tried to buy to buy 2 ncg tix for 800 a peice,, nope.. too low. Now they cant give tix away. Priority points should encompass more than just giving money.
Posted on 12/14/08 at 11:09 am to BT
Priority points should be:
1a. Donors
1b. Students
2. Long term/multi sport season ticket holders
3. ....
4. ....
That should be the pecking order. But unfortunately, it's not.
It's more like:
1. Donors
2. Politicians
3. Chances of money for LSU in future business
4. Friends/relatives
5. ...
6. ...
And none of the 2nd list are stepping up to the plate right now when called on.
1a. Donors
1b. Students
2. Long term/multi sport season ticket holders
3. ....
4. ....
That should be the pecking order. But unfortunately, it's not.
It's more like:
1. Donors
2. Politicians
3. Chances of money for LSU in future business
4. Friends/relatives
5. ...
6. ...
And none of the 2nd list are stepping up to the plate right now when called on.
Posted on 12/14/08 at 11:15 am to Paul_LSU_passion
quote:
I read posts on here daily about how we're all "such terrible fans" for not going to Atlanta.
we are pisspoor fans, but the unabashed hypocrisy and begging from LSU this year after three or four years of season ticket holders getting the shaft is retarded. I haven't read any of my e-mails from LSU regarding tickets after the last few years of bandwagon jumpers getting tickets at face value. I paid waaay too much last year for tix. I ought to send them back a form letter that says;
I'm sorry to inform you(LSU AD) that the Chic-Fil-A Bowl was not chosen by me as there were too many other games ahead of it in the pecking order. Thanks for begging, and try again next year.
Thank you,
Brad G.
Director of Finance, my house
PS. if ya got enough money to give to TAF, you got enough to pay over face for frickin bowl game tickets.
Posted on 12/14/08 at 11:19 am to Paul_LSU_passion
Great Post.
I'm an LSU graduate and a 15 year season ticket holder. I've supported this program through thick and thin. But the last three years I have not recieved one away game request or bowl game request. I found the tickets on my own and paid whatever was necessary. I will go to the Chick-Fil-A but I won't buy my tickets through LSU. Screw'em. They mede their bed now let them lie in it. LSU's New Motto: Money>>Loyalty.
I love my Tigers but hate what we've become.
I'm an LSU graduate and a 15 year season ticket holder. I've supported this program through thick and thin. But the last three years I have not recieved one away game request or bowl game request. I found the tickets on my own and paid whatever was necessary. I will go to the Chick-Fil-A but I won't buy my tickets through LSU. Screw'em. They mede their bed now let them lie in it. LSU's New Motto: Money>>Loyalty.
I love my Tigers but hate what we've become.
Posted on 12/14/08 at 11:40 am to Mr. Curious
quote:
I won't buy my tickets through LSU.
as loyal as I have been in following the Tigers, I had to make that descision too.
Posted on 12/14/08 at 11:41 am to Mr. Curious
I gave up my season tickets after the 2006 season. The main reason is that because of the college football "arms race" the average fan is going to continue to get screwed.
I could afford all of the ticket price increases, the Tradition Fund "donation" increases and the TAF donation, but I finally figured out that it was a never-ending cycle of increases all in the name of entertainment. I made my stand and didn't renew. It wasn't an affordabilty thing, it was a principle thing. And it's this type of thing that is making me slowly lose interest in college football.
I know a lot of you think this kind of thing with the bowl tickets and priority points only happens at LSU, but that's not the case. It happens at all of the major schools. If the fanbases of these schools could possibly rise up and say "Enough is enough!", then things may change...but we all know that will never happen. College football fans will continue to bend over and grab their ankles, grimace and take the anal raping.
College football will finally price itself away from the average blue-collar fan and it will be not much more than pro sports with its corporate sponsors.
I could afford all of the ticket price increases, the Tradition Fund "donation" increases and the TAF donation, but I finally figured out that it was a never-ending cycle of increases all in the name of entertainment. I made my stand and didn't renew. It wasn't an affordabilty thing, it was a principle thing. And it's this type of thing that is making me slowly lose interest in college football.
I know a lot of you think this kind of thing with the bowl tickets and priority points only happens at LSU, but that's not the case. It happens at all of the major schools. If the fanbases of these schools could possibly rise up and say "Enough is enough!", then things may change...but we all know that will never happen. College football fans will continue to bend over and grab their ankles, grimace and take the anal raping.
College football will finally price itself away from the average blue-collar fan and it will be not much more than pro sports with its corporate sponsors.
Posted on 12/14/08 at 12:38 pm to Paul_LSU_passion
Fire Malleveto and ticket sales would increase 
Posted on 12/14/08 at 1:20 pm to Paul_LSU_passion
Everybody here is bitching about the Tigers on-field performance this year, but I can guarantee you that if all of the tickets were priced at a level that everybody could afford, LSU would be a second-rate doormat in the SEC.
As one of the other posters noted, there is an arms race of massive proportions going on. If we don't keep up, we don't get recruits. It's that simple.
It feeds on itself too. Winning brings more requests for season tickets. If every Tiger fan was as loyal as everybody proclaims to be, we would have been sold out during the 90's. We did not and there was no East Upper then either.
Money makes the machine turn. I'm sorry if that means that some people can't afford season tickets.
As far as the post, I have no idea what is meant by 2nd, 3rd, 4th shots at bowl tickets. It's a very simple process. I'm not sure exactly how the non-TAF seats did mixing into the Priority Points because I started with TAF in the East Upper, but I know that renewals are big points getter. Fans are rewarded for the number of years as well as total contribution (to a lesser extent). At UGA, I know their formula is straight up dollars. LSU at least attempts to reward long term renewals.
I get an away request form every year and fill it out. They fill the games based on priority. I get a bowl request form every year and fill it out. They fill the games based on priority. The only games I don't get are about 50% of the hard road games.
The last bowl game I missed was the 02-03 Cotton Bowl (took the family to Disney World). I got 6 tickets for the Peach Bowl and will be there tailgating, drinking, and yelling my arse off.
I remember Archer, Hallman, and DiNardo. 7-5 and the Peach Bowl is a disappointment, but there is a bottom much further down. Ask Auburn.
As one of the other posters noted, there is an arms race of massive proportions going on. If we don't keep up, we don't get recruits. It's that simple.
It feeds on itself too. Winning brings more requests for season tickets. If every Tiger fan was as loyal as everybody proclaims to be, we would have been sold out during the 90's. We did not and there was no East Upper then either.
Money makes the machine turn. I'm sorry if that means that some people can't afford season tickets.
As far as the post, I have no idea what is meant by 2nd, 3rd, 4th shots at bowl tickets. It's a very simple process. I'm not sure exactly how the non-TAF seats did mixing into the Priority Points because I started with TAF in the East Upper, but I know that renewals are big points getter. Fans are rewarded for the number of years as well as total contribution (to a lesser extent). At UGA, I know their formula is straight up dollars. LSU at least attempts to reward long term renewals.
I get an away request form every year and fill it out. They fill the games based on priority. I get a bowl request form every year and fill it out. They fill the games based on priority. The only games I don't get are about 50% of the hard road games.
The last bowl game I missed was the 02-03 Cotton Bowl (took the family to Disney World). I got 6 tickets for the Peach Bowl and will be there tailgating, drinking, and yelling my arse off.
I remember Archer, Hallman, and DiNardo. 7-5 and the Peach Bowl is a disappointment, but there is a bottom much further down. Ask Auburn.
This post was edited on 12/14/08 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 12/14/08 at 3:50 pm to TriumphTiger
quote:
I had to wait for the scraps of those that went through the line 3, 4, sometimes 5 or 6 times snatching up tickets
How is this even possible?
I've had 5 season tickets since '01 and pay the minimum TAF fee per seat. I have only been turned down for tickets twice over the years, and that includes away game requests. As far as letting your season tickets go because of the cycle of price and fee hikes every year, that's just a part of everyday life for most items out there. With that being the case, I don't see why you would ever leave your house.
Posted on 12/14/08 at 4:07 pm to geaux70
You get left out 33% of the time for Bowl games.
I just think you should only be able to get the amount of seats that you have on your account when you apply for BCS game tix. My biggest problem is a bigger donor fan who only has four seats is able to purchase double that for what is usually a smaller venue than TS. That helps to leave the smaller donor out, and forces a lottery upon us. That is the only part that doesn't seem fair to me. If this was changed, maybe Mr. Big Donor will be inclined to buy more TS tix at the higher prices. Win-win.
I just think you should only be able to get the amount of seats that you have on your account when you apply for BCS game tix. My biggest problem is a bigger donor fan who only has four seats is able to purchase double that for what is usually a smaller venue than TS. That helps to leave the smaller donor out, and forces a lottery upon us. That is the only part that doesn't seem fair to me. If this was changed, maybe Mr. Big Donor will be inclined to buy more TS tix at the higher prices. Win-win.
Posted on 12/14/08 at 4:16 pm to bgtiger
i posted this before but i'll restate it...
i understand the reality of using priority for tickets to the big games as an inducement for donations and that the reality of big time college football today requires a lot of money.
(although you COULD make the case that is contrary to the definition of a 'donation' if you are getting something tangible in return...but that and exactly how much money we need are topics for another post)
on the other hand, we have been slapping many rank and file tiger fans in the face over the last 5-8 years by almost completely shutting them out of away game, championship game and bowl game tickets.
now that all those who were gobbling up the tickets before decided not to buy them, they are coming back to the rank and file.
how about this for an offer - for every peach bowl ticket you buy, you are guarenteed the right to purchase one away game/championship game/bowl game ticket of your choosing for next season.
Posted on 12/14/08 at 4:18 pm to lsusa
quote:
how about this for an offer - for every peach bowl ticket you buy, you are guarenteed the right to purchase one away game/championship game/bowl game ticket of your choosing for next season
love it. i wouldn't have been left out of any tix over the last 8 years if this was the policy.
Posted on 12/14/08 at 4:23 pm to lsusa
quote:
how about this for an offer - for every peach bowl ticket you buy, you are guarenteed the right to purchase one away game/championship game/bowl game ticket of your choosing for next season.
i like it, its fair, but won't happen
Posted on 12/14/08 at 4:34 pm to Paul_LSU_passion
How about incentive TAF points for those who buy tickets to the Peach Bowl? And I mean legitimate and significant points.
Would be the right thing to do...but what do you think the chances are.
We all know the answer.
Would be the right thing to do...but what do you think the chances are.
We all know the answer.
Posted on 12/14/08 at 6:44 pm to bgtiger
quote:
I just think you should only be able to get the amount of seats that you have on your account when you apply for BCS game tix. My biggest problem is a bigger donor fan who only has four seats is able to purchase double that for what is usually a smaller venue than TS.
I don't think you thought this through. Say we have 80,000 season ticket holders and we play in the sugar which might hold 84,000. The number are approx.of course but does or opponent have a right to any tickets? I agree in your sentiment as the season ticket holders usually get the shaft but this theory won't work.
Posted on 12/14/08 at 7:06 pm to Paul_LSU_passion
quote:Alright, I'm calling you out as completely full of shite. If you wanted tickets to the 2003 Cotton Bowl, all you had to do was call LSU. I know, I did that. I did not order cotton bowl tickets that year but decided at last minute to go and went to ticket office and bought 3 seats in the endzone. You are a fricking liar if you say you were denied Cotton Bowl tix by LSU.
But in the years past, I wasn't even given a shot (not even for the Cotton Bowl). And if I wanted a shot, I had to wait for the scraps of those that went through the line 3, 4, sometimes 5 or 6 times snatching up tickets (if I wanted to pay less than a 500% mark up on Ebay). So in other words, I wasn't even given a realistic shot.
If you wanted tix to 2000 peach bowl, 2005 Capital One bowl or 2005 Peach Bowl there were plenty of tickets available, as TAF did NOT have to implement priority point distribution. But you're lazy as probably didn't WANT those tickets b/c LSU didn't have a "great" season in your mind. Now you have nerve to bitch about bowl ticket availability when you CHOSE not to attempt to get tickets to at least 3 bowls this decade.
The fact is, the only bowl games LSU did not have tickets for people such as yourself were the 4 Sugar Bowls in N.O. this decade. The obvious reason is b/c its a "local" bowl following tremendously successful seasons. OBVIOUSLY supply is greater than demand. The TAF point plan is the way LSU chose to distribute those tickets. You may argue its not fair to fans that don't have money but you can't say LSU has denied you the right to go to all previous bowl games b/c its not true.
quote:So why did you not attend the cotton bowl and 2 peach bowls this decade? If you "never go see a bowl game" its by YOUR choice.
I told myself after last year, "I'm just going to accept the fact that I will never go see a bowl game". Again, that's not just me. I think most of LSU fans reached that point.
Also I donate a mere $400 a year to TAF for my 2 season tix in NEZ and got tix through TAF to the last 3 Sugar Bowl/NCG LSU played in. Not all TAF members give $5000 a year. You, like many others on this board, are just a cheap bitch that thinks LSU owes you tickets to the premier events when you apparently don't donate shite.
This post was edited on 12/14/08 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 12/14/08 at 7:15 pm to Paul_LSU_passion
Great post and comments. Could not agree more
I have long proclaimed the reason Tiger Stadium has deteriorated is because of the TAF fat cats, who have the best seats, don't stay, and sometimes don't even show, or worse, sell their tickets to opposing fans.
Amazing how LSU reaches out to us when hey are looking for a bail out, but can't give ou the time of day when you're looking to donate and get season tickets.
I have long proclaimed the reason Tiger Stadium has deteriorated is because of the TAF fat cats, who have the best seats, don't stay, and sometimes don't even show, or worse, sell their tickets to opposing fans.
Amazing how LSU reaches out to us when hey are looking for a bail out, but can't give ou the time of day when you're looking to donate and get season tickets.
Posted on 12/14/08 at 7:40 pm to jlsutiger
quote:
Alright, I'm calling you out as completely full of shite.
I'm calling bullshite too. I am not a long time season ticket holder (2002). I live in Atlanta and go to 1-2 home and 1-2 away games a year, plus SECCG and bowls when applicable.
I got tired of constantly scrambling for tickets, so I ponied up. I either have friends/family buy my extras or I'll sell them on eBay. As I said before, I've only been turned away a couple of times. I got 2003 NCG tickets in my SECOND YEAR as a season ticket holder (via lottery). I have only been turned down for away tickets for UGA in '04 and UT in '06. Except for the 2005 Peach Bowl, my away and bowl tickets are usually crap (upper deck, very high row), but I get them almost always. I've been to every bowl as a season ticket holder except for Cotton. I've been to all of the SECCG's ('03, '05, '07) since then too.
My seats do have a fairly hefty donation ($350/each for 2 and $500/each for the other 2), but I have certainly not accumulated points in the TAF stratosphere. My TAF ranking is somewhere around 3,000.
This post was edited on 12/14/08 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 12/14/08 at 8:00 pm to TriumphTiger
Ok, you both got me. Gosh. I was lying... 
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