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re: Who wants the Money Badger to stay eligible?
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:20 am to rickyh
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:20 am to rickyh
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Would beating the Aggies again feel as good if the Money Badger is not on the team?
Would beating Alabama feel as good if Yelden and McCarron were not on the team? Hell yeah!
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:20 am to rickyh
people on this website never cease to amaze me.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:21 am to LSU_PETE_2012
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. But the fact is, he broke the rules and he believes he is above them.
what evidence is there he broke any rules....
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:23 am to Rabid Tiger
If you think Bama walks over TAM regardless if Manziel is there then you hope he is gone because our schedule is tough enough as it is. If you think TAM has a good chance to beat Bama two in a row with Manziel then you hope he stays. With Manziel Bama has two tough games this year on their schdule. Without Manziel they have one game that they have to actually practice for and have two weeks to get ready for that as well.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:25 am to CptBengal
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CptBengal
You're right. There isn't any proof of money changing hands. Do you really think he did all of those signing sessions just so other people could make money off if it? After all he and his family have said about the NCAA making money off his name?
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:26 am to CptBengal
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Do you really believe he needs the 5 or 10k from signing autographs?
That's irrelevant. But I do think he WANTS the additional 5 to 10k.
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There is ZERO evidence of him having taken ANY money.
that's not true. There's significant circumstantial evidence he did which, according to the NCAA rulebook, is all they need. We have him stating, publicly, how much he hates signing autographs. We also have him signing huge bulk quantities for brokers on multiple occasions. It strains credibility that he did that out of the goodness of his heart. That's not definitive proof he took money, but the evidence does point in that direction.
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Yet here you are, asking him to be attacked...while seeing videos of LSU players commit crimes, then argue "we dont know the situation". what a farce.
False equivalency. What NCAA rule did Hill break by getting in a bar fight. By signing bulk autographs for a broker, Manziel broke Bylaw 12.5.2.1, and I quote:
quote:
Bylaw 12.5.2.1 Advertisements and Promotions Subsequent to Enrollment
Subsequent to becoming a student-athlete, an individual shall not be eligible for participation in
intercollegiate athletics if the individual:
a. Accepts any remuneration for or permits the use of his or her name or picture to
advertise, recommend or promote directly the sale or use of a commercial
product or service of any kind
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Is it because he is white?
No, it's because we can point to the NCAA rule Manziel broke. Hill broke a criminal law, and was punished by the criminal courts.
All that said, I want Manziel to play because A) I don't want to hear Aggie excuses and B) the rule is really f'n stupid. Now, I would have rather if we had all rallied to AJ Green's defense, who was a far more sympathetic person, but beggars can't be choosers. The rule is dumb, and Unamerican to boot. Manziel should totally be able to make money off of his autograph if he wants.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:26 am to rickyh
I honestly thought this was a TM (football) thread with a typo in the subject line. I came to laugh at you about players not being eligible in the NFL.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:27 am to harry coleman beast
He should get whatever is coming to him. He should miss whatever time the OSU players did.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:29 am to LSU_PETE_2012
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Do you really think he did all of those signing sessions just so other people could make money off if it?
I think he purposefully did them to frick with the NCAA...and it's about time. They finally have a player who doesnt come from a poor background and can fight them on their turf. Good for him, maybe he will help future players.
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After all he and his family have said about the NCAA making money off his name?
His family is worth HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of dollars. Let that sink in...when you hop the family jet to play at Pebble Beach, and the NCAA wants receipts, yeah that would piss off his father (who controls the family money).
it makes it like the father has to justify his life to the NCAA, while the NCAA sells his son;s jerseys for a profit.
Look, you dont want him to play because LSU has a better chance...that's fine. But the NCAA is on a witchhunt because they finally have a heisman winner who is rich enough to tell them to get fricked.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:34 am to Baloo
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There's significant circumstantial evidence he did which,
no. There is circumstantial evidence he SIGNED autographs. There is ONE person claiming he gave him money. 1 person, who isnt going to cooperate.
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That's not definitive proof he took money, but the evidence does point in that direction.
so there's no proof at all...that's not even circumstantial. It's pure conjecture.
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By signing bulk autographs for a broker, Manziel broke Bylaw 12.5.2.1, and I quote:
quote:
a. Accepts any remuneration for or permits the use of his or her name or picture to advertise, recommend or promote directly the sale or use of a commercial product or service of any kind
1) He didnt receive remuneration
2) He didnt advertise anything
3) he didnt recommend or promote the sale or use of any COMMERCIAL product or service.
4) If this is applicable, any player who signs an autograph that gets sold is guilty.
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it's because we can point to the NCAA rule Manziel broke.
The one you THINK he broke. Or have you switched to seeing things from a "guilty" until proven innocent view?
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:36 am to CptBengal
His family is absolutely loaded. Everyone has known that from the start. But they knew what they were signing up for when he went to play in the NCAA. I get if his dad's upset, but they would do the same with any other player.
They look into so many of these cases when it pops up with different players. You may be right; they may be on a witchhunt. But the fact is, its really hard to drop a case like this when just about every day, we hear of more and more signing sessions. So I don't blame them for looking deeper into it.
I hope he helps future players, too. I think they deserve to be paid for their name, number, and likeness. But the way the (crooked) system is set up now, they have to keep looking.
They look into so many of these cases when it pops up with different players. You may be right; they may be on a witchhunt. But the fact is, its really hard to drop a case like this when just about every day, we hear of more and more signing sessions. So I don't blame them for looking deeper into it.
I hope he helps future players, too. I think they deserve to be paid for their name, number, and likeness. But the way the (crooked) system is set up now, they have to keep looking.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:38 am to CptBengal
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CptBengal
Do you think that he did all of it for free, or do you think he took money for the signing sessions?
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:40 am to LSU_PETE_2012
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Do you think that he did all of it for free, or do you think he took money for the signing sessions?
I think he did them for a promise of future payouts, or some other equally obscure way to move money across spatial and temporal scales.
There is no way there is even going to be a trail.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:45 am to LSU_PETE_2012
He innocently didn't know that the thousands of things that he signed to be sold by brokers, for free, would cause an uproar. Right! The guy spilled the beans and admitted paying him and then decided that he didn't want to testify. And this was not the only broker involved. But there are more players from other big teams that are involved. The NCAA might not want to open this can of worms.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:52 am to CptBengal
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I think he purposefully did them to frick with the NCAA...and it's about time. They finally have a player who doesnt come from a poor background and can fight them on their turf. Good for him, maybe he will help future players.
Holy shite...so you actually DO think the kid is the NCAA equivalent of my Rosa Parks example.
Huh...
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:53 am to rickyh
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure deferred commpensation would still be frowned upon. Signing thousands of autographs for brokers is only done so they can be sold. Its different than signing a random poster on the fly that shows up on eBay (and the Manziel lawyers are having each one taken down ).
But the big question is, will anybody step up and show the trail that leads to a trial?
But the big question is, will anybody step up and show the trail that leads to a trial?
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:56 am to LSU_PETE_2012
If all of the Money Badger accusations are swept under the rug, the joke is on the NCAA. I think the big problem is that Johnny Penzel knows the rule but blatantly broke them because he thinks he is better then his team, teammates, university and the NCAA. It's just the thinking of trust fund kid entitlement
Posted on 8/14/13 at 10:00 am to rickyh
[quote]Money Badger[/quote
WTF?
WTF?
Posted on 8/14/13 at 10:04 am to rickyh
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Who wants the Money Badger to stay eligible?
personally, I hope the arrogant little shite gets suspended for the season. anyone who believes that he made a 'youthful mistake' and did not receive either earnest, second party or delayed compensation, is either naive or drinks the cult cool-aid.
while we're on the topic of suspensions, I personally hope LM suspends JH for 2-4 games for his total lack of self control. I fully realise that none of this would have happened if the other drunken douche had kept his punk mouth shut but the fact remains that JH risked his eligibility/future and stained the program's rep when he forgot about 'team' and only thought of 'me'. he needs to sit and comtemplate. JMO.
get better.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 10:06 am to Wild Thang
Mark schlereth last night on his show was calling Johnny football the Money Badger.Also had about a dozen other names also. Schlereth said he never did a signing of more then 250 items with out being paid compensation.
This post was edited on 8/14/13 at 10:07 am
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