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re: Who has the leverage?
Posted on 12/12/14 at 12:25 am to GeauxTigerTM
Posted on 12/12/14 at 12:25 am to GeauxTigerTM
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I have no idea, and neither do you
I honestly don't think that Miles could have done what Saban did. Saban came in with credentials and a reputation as a defensive schemer. He designed defenses and schemes. Kids knew that and wanted to learn from him. He's also on a different level than Miles as a recruiter.
Miles is the guy that parents want to send their kids to...Saban is the coach that parents want to send their players to. Saban brought an air of dominating defense to LSU.
I think that most football people would agree with me. Miles isn't a program builder. He isn't an great X/O coach. What is he great at?
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Posted on 12/12/14 at 12:30 am to lsu2006
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Bama made Saban
I know that you were joking but really...Saban made LSU and re-made Bama. I hate that fricker but it is true.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 12:30 am to SL Tiger
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I think that most football people would agree with me.
You'd be wrong.
I guess you've missed all the recruiting classes Miles has gotten. Who do you think got Eric Reid to come here? Mathieu, Ridley, Dupre, Quinn, Patrick Peterson, Mett, Fournette, Williams, Travis Dickson, DeSean Smith, Kendall Beckwith, shall I go on?
Before you say Miles didn't recruit all of those guys, I will grant you that, however members of his staff, men he hired did.
It blows my mind how some of you can't just give him credit.
You're trolling at this point. I'm done with this thread.
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 12:32 am
Posted on 12/12/14 at 12:40 am to SL Tiger
You're entertaining. Like one of those random generators that spits out quotes, but instead of interesting quotes they're parroted bullshite rant memes about Miles/Saban that have been thrown around since approx. 2005. 
Posted on 12/12/14 at 12:45 am to la_birdman
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Before you say Miles didn't recruit all of those guys, I will grant you that, however members of his staff, men he hired did.
I would like to add, slightly modify and dispute the above, he may not be the primary recruiter, but he was(is) instrumental in recruiting all of the above named athletes. The Head Coach (the Closer) has a direct impact on recruiting.
Question for the denizens of this board:
If Miles is such a mediocre/bad coach, why are premier athletes from across the Southeast lining up to play for him? ETA: Is it the free LSU education? Is it the NFL pipeline? Is it the women of LSU? Is it the crazy rabid bastards filling Tiger Stadium on a Saturday night? Why, why, why?
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 12:49 am
Posted on 12/12/14 at 12:54 am to SL Tiger
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I honestly don't think that Miles could have done what Saban did.
That's the difference between you and I then. when I don't know a thing, I'll gladly say I don't know. Miles is clearly good enough to have done that, but there is no way to know if he would have had he had the chance.
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Saban came in with credentials and a reputation as a defensive schemer. He designed defenses and schemes. Kids knew that and wanted to learn from him. He's also on a different level than Miles as a recruiter.
Miles is the guy that parents want to send their kids to...Saban is the coach that parents want to send their players to. Saban brought an air of dominating defense to LSU.
Honestly...none of that really means anything and most of it is either speculation or opinion.
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I think that most football people would agree with me
I don't...unless you consider "football people" to be random LSU fans still frothing at the mouth about 1-9-12. Most everyone else in the country is able to see Miles' success st LSU without the emotional connection to the guy over is Tuscaloosa tainting it for them.
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Miles isn't a program builder.
Ok St. was exponentially better while he was there and afterwards than before him.
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He isn't an great X/O coach.
Again...I don't know that for a fact. It's an assumption based on what you think you know by watching TV. You may be correct, but if you were it would be purely accidental.
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What is he great at?
Given his record over the past decade, I'd say he's great at running the LSU Football program. Despite the fact that like most fans I'd like our success to be even better, I'm thrilled at just how fantastic the program has been this past 15 seasons. Miles has been an enormous part of that.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 1:05 am to SL Tiger
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How many players does LSU have in the NFL again?
WTF, LSU leads all schools with players in the NFL.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 1:19 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Honestly...none of that really means anything and most of it is either speculation or opinion.
Do you even know anything about football? I'm asking because you may not and thats OK. Miles has never been known as a great football mind for his defense or offense. Saban has always been known as a great defensive coach and more specifically defensive backs. It's where he played and started coaching in the NFL. I thought that most people knew that but you obviously don't. Do you think so many coaches have spent time under Saban because they liked him? Thought he's a nice guy? He isn't. So many have lined up to coach under him because he is great at what he does. So I'm sorry if I've destroyed your opinion of CLM but he isn't nearly the technical coach or recruiter as Saban. For these reasons, I seriously doubt that Miles could do what Saban did at LSU. Mile didn't even come close in his 4 years at Ok St. Saban started in 2000 and already had one in 2003...in a much tougher conference.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 1:43 am to SL Tiger
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Saban started in 2000 and already had one in 2003...in a much tougher conference.
Really?
Let's take a look at 2003: Alabama was down,
Auburn was down, Florida was down, Arkansas was down, Ole Miss, UK and Vandy and Miss. St. were well Ole Miss, UK, Vandy and UK, and South Carolina was down. UGA and Tenn. were the class of the East and LSU the class of the West.
In every championship year, there is an element of luck that the champion enjoys. In 2003 the SEC West traditional powers being down was a fortunate turn of events for LSU.
Now, don't get me wrong, to this day this is still my personal favorite LSU team. Love the tenacity of that DL.
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Mile didn't even come close in his 4 years at Ok St.
Do you think any coach (take your pick) will ever win a NC at Oklahoma State?
Posted on 12/12/14 at 1:55 am to Boudreaux in SF
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.in a much tougher conference.
I think you missed my point. At that time (2000-2003), Saban was in a tougher conference than Miles and won a NC.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 2:13 am to Boudreaux in SF
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In every championship year, there is an element of luck that the champion enjoys.
You sure hit that one on the head. Miles 2 loss NC season in 2007 is one of the most disputed in history. His only championship was a season where he cratered at the end with 2 shitty losses. Had to have an almost miraculous series of events happen to climb back in...and it happened. You want to talk about "element of luck".
And you actually want to dispute Saban's 2003 NC? You're not a smart person.
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 2:14 am
Posted on 12/12/14 at 2:42 am to vjm41
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NOW NAME ME THE MILES KIDS IN THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME!!!!Clue,there was ONE ?
This is just the starters, not all that contributed:
Brandon Lafell - 1 TD
Richard Dickson - 2 TDs
Demetrius Byrd
Ciron Black
Lyle Hitt
R. Jean-Francois - Defensive MVP
Darry Beckwith
Posted on 12/12/14 at 2:58 am to SL Tiger
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I think you missed my point
No I did not miss your point, I think you are attempting to use transitive properties to make an argument that the strength of a post 2006 SEC applies to a 2003 SEC.
In 2003 the SEC West was weak.
Bama was 4-9 and beat no one with a pulse. Auburn was 8-5 with a win over Tennessee and a 5-3 SEC record.
Arkansas was 9-4 and beat no one with a pulse.
Florida was 8-5 with a win over UGA and LSU and the coach was fired at the conclusion of the next season.
Not to take away anything from the 2003 championship team, but our traditional rivals and the SEC West were weak in 2003.
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 6:53 am
Posted on 12/12/14 at 3:03 am to Boudreaux in SF
I love Less, but ULL's coach Mark Hudspeth is better. 
Posted on 12/12/14 at 5:32 am to SL Tiger
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And you actually want to dispute Saban's 2003 NC?
Not at all, my personal favorite all-time LSU team; freak athletes all over the D was a pleasure to watch. No where in my post am I detracting from the 2003 NC, that is an assumption that you are erroneously making.
Just stating that a pre-2006 SEC West was not as strong as a post-2006 SEC West. In 2003 our traditional rivals (Bama, Auburn, Arky and Florida)had down years. This is no way takes away from the accomplishments of the 2003 LSU squad.
A lot of different factors had to align for the computers to spit out #1 OU vs. #2 LSU in 2003. Again this does not detract from what the 2003 LSU squad accomplished.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:38 am to SL Tiger
Note to SL Tiger: In an effort to avoid any confusion on your part as to the meaning of what I will say in the following, nothing in the paragraphs that follow should be construed as an attack, put down or denigration of what Saban was able to build at LSU in the 2000-2003 period. Conversely, nothing stated in the following is to be construed as an attempt to compare the relative merits of the jobs done by Saban or Miles during their respective Head Coaching tenures at LSU.
For this to be a valid comparison, Team A and Team B would have to start at relatively the same point in strength of program. It would be disingenuous to suggest that this was the case.
By far, there were more building blocks in place (talent on hand) and an inherent recruiting advantage for LSU in 2000 when Saban became the Head Coach at LSU relative to what Miles' inherited at OSU in 2001.
Also there is a dirth of top end talent in the state of Oklahoma in comparison to Louisiana, thereby making it necessary to recruit primarily out-of-state (namely Texas) talent to a historical also-ran program based in Stillwater, OK; recruiting head-to-head against the cream of the crop of college football programs. Yet, Year 3 (2003) of Miles' tenure as Head Coach of OSU resulted in an appearance in the Cotton Bowl with a 9-3 record.
The evidence suggest that Miles' did a good job of building-up OSU during his tenure as Head Coach.
Your attempt to make an apples to oranges comparison to arrive at a conclusion that the job done by Coach A could never be done by Coach B is logically flawed.
Here's a good question for you. Could Saban have built a NC winner at OSU during the 2001-2004 years?
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For these reasons, I seriously doubt that Miles could do what Saban did at LSU. Mile didn't even come close in his 4 years at Ok St. Saban started in 2000 and already had one in 2003
For this to be a valid comparison, Team A and Team B would have to start at relatively the same point in strength of program. It would be disingenuous to suggest that this was the case.
By far, there were more building blocks in place (talent on hand) and an inherent recruiting advantage for LSU in 2000 when Saban became the Head Coach at LSU relative to what Miles' inherited at OSU in 2001.
Also there is a dirth of top end talent in the state of Oklahoma in comparison to Louisiana, thereby making it necessary to recruit primarily out-of-state (namely Texas) talent to a historical also-ran program based in Stillwater, OK; recruiting head-to-head against the cream of the crop of college football programs. Yet, Year 3 (2003) of Miles' tenure as Head Coach of OSU resulted in an appearance in the Cotton Bowl with a 9-3 record.
The evidence suggest that Miles' did a good job of building-up OSU during his tenure as Head Coach.
Your attempt to make an apples to oranges comparison to arrive at a conclusion that the job done by Coach A could never be done by Coach B is logically flawed.
Here's a good question for you. Could Saban have built a NC winner at OSU during the 2001-2004 years?
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 6:42 am
Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:39 am to SL Tiger
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You're not a smart person.
Shhh! Don't tell my clients or they may stop paying their bills
Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:45 am to SL Tiger
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I think Hudspeth is a better coach
Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:50 am to SL Tiger
One last thing:
2003 is a disputed NC season, not 2007. As much as I hate the fact that there was a split-NC in 2003, that is the very definition of disputed.
On the other hand, LSU was unanimously crowned the NC in 2007 by all relevant polls. Now, certain "Tiger Fans" may argue the relative merits of the 2007 NC in an attempted to denigrate the Head Coach; but, by no means is it a disputed NC Title for LSU.
Good job of changing the parameters of the discussion to try to further your argument.
Onward to #4
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Miles 2 loss NC season in 2007 is one of the most disputed in history
2003 is a disputed NC season, not 2007. As much as I hate the fact that there was a split-NC in 2003, that is the very definition of disputed.
On the other hand, LSU was unanimously crowned the NC in 2007 by all relevant polls. Now, certain "Tiger Fans" may argue the relative merits of the 2007 NC in an attempted to denigrate the Head Coach; but, by no means is it a disputed NC Title for LSU.
Good job of changing the parameters of the discussion to try to further your argument.
Onward to #4
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 6:56 am
Posted on 12/12/14 at 7:08 am to TN Bhoy
Hudspeth has a better winning percentage than Miles as a college coach.
Also, Hudspeth's conference winning percentage at Louisiana-Lafayette is better than Miles' conference winning percentage at LSU.
Also, Hudspeth's conference winning percentage at Louisiana-Lafayette is better than Miles' conference winning percentage at LSU.
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