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re: Who has the leverage?
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:06 pm to vjm41
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:06 pm to vjm41
You mean the same season where we had already beaten Bama once, on the road, yet they don't even win their side of the conference, conference championship, and we have to play them again? That game?
I don't care how good Bama is. We beat them, got the job done. Period. We're a good team too. Bring in the next team in line. Bama never should've been there. Sugar Bowl, sure, but not the Championship game. I will never change my stance on that.
That being said, it's almost 4 years ago. I've gotten over it, most of the fan base has, get over it already.
I don't care how good Bama is. We beat them, got the job done. Period. We're a good team too. Bring in the next team in line. Bama never should've been there. Sugar Bowl, sure, but not the Championship game. I will never change my stance on that.
That being said, it's almost 4 years ago. I've gotten over it, most of the fan base has, get over it already.
This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 11:08 pm
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Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:07 pm to tiger in the gump
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Bc Miles has a history of egotistical actions. Nothing grooms ego better than a Championship but carry on.
Les shows you his bloated ego when he puts his desire to win "his way" over the teams desire to win. You are too stupid to understand that. Les is a good guy with ethics and a moral compass. He's also stubborn and let's his ego get in his way.
LSU has done more to make Miles than he's done to make LSU. The wins started with Saban and the trend continued with Miles. Everything was in place for Miles when he got here. LSU had already become a national power during the Saban tenure. No fricking way that Miles takes the LSU job back in 2000 and does what Saban does.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:10 pm to vjm41
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Mediocrity
Google that on merriam webster as well when you get that depth chart for us.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:10 pm to SL Tiger
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The wins started with Saban and the trend continued with Miles. Everything was in place for Miles when he got here. LSU had already become a national power during the Saban tenure. No fricking way that Miles takes the LSU job back in 2000 and does what Saban does.
So what you're suggesting is that since 2005 to present, everything Miles has done at LSU is just from luck? He just channeled Saban's mojo for the last 10 years and on that and that alone is how he's "kept the trend going?"
Tell me I misunderstood what you typed.
This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 11:13 pm
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:13 pm to la_birdman
Bama made Saban. If not for the Bear and what he started, Bama wouldn't be shite under Saban. He just showed up in 2007, popped it in cruise control and here we are.
Right?
Right?
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:14 pm to lsu2006
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Right?
Exactly!
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:38 pm to SL Tiger
Sigh....
Look, everyone knows that if we want to win, we have to beat Saban. This is his world we are living in. So, we need a coach to beat Nick Saban, or his future equal.
And your suggestion is Hudspeth?
Look, everyone knows that if we want to win, we have to beat Saban. This is his world we are living in. So, we need a coach to beat Nick Saban, or his future equal.
And your suggestion is Hudspeth?
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:50 pm to la_birdman
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Tell me I misunderstood what you typed.
What you misunderstand is that history will one day prove that Coach Saban is among the greatest ever. He may finish as THE best ever. To underestimate the advantage that Les had by following Saban is either stupid or ignorant. I argue the opposite point only when talking to a fricking gump. I was at LSU from 85-90 when many of the best La athletes didn't even look at LSU. Saban changed that.
What would you say if Saban quit tomorrow but the next coach wins 10 games/yr behind him? Who built the Bama dynasty? The same guy that built this one. You forget to mention that Saban won the first NC...which I'd say was a much tougher task than the first.
Would Les have a NC if he started at LSU in 2000?
Would Saban have lost 21-0 to ANYONE with the talent that we had in 2011? If you give Les (alone) credit for all of those wins then you should put that loss squarely on Les. And it was a very important one. No coincidence who he lost to. We've gotten used to that.
Les wouldn't have coached at LSU for 10 years had he started from scratch. Les is successful mostly because he hires good coordinators and is a likable guy. That translates into coordinators that probably stick around longer. LSU also spends more on our assistants than any other school in the country.
Another fact is that we've put more players in the NFL than any other school. That tells me that Les has had an advantage in talent. Look at what our rookies are doing right now. Are you ignorant to the fact that they are basically calling Miles out by questioning why we lost that many games last year.
By all means, if you want to call Les a coaching genius, go right ahead. All the more reason that he should have the confidence to leave what he has at LSU to build a dynasty at Michigan. Your stupid if you think that Les will ever win another national title outside of LSU. My concern is that he may not have what it takes to win another one for LSU. He's too stubborn and his excuses are bullshite. How does Ohio St prepare 3 QB's but Les can't prepare ONE.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:57 pm to SL Tiger
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I appreciate what Les has done for LSU but does Les realize what LSU has done for him?
I can only assume the answer is yes. I'd also assume that same answer would be the one given by Nick Saban if he could muster and honest answer.
Saban saw LSU for what it COULD be, and he set out to helping to make it that. But, it took both parts...his skill and determination AND the resources inherent to LSU. Neither were doing it alone. Saban could not have made ANY program a national power, and clearly not ANY coach has been able to waltz into Baton Rouge and win the way fans today expect them to.
Miles is no different. it took both Miles skills AND the inherent advantages of the program to keep LSU at the level they have been for a decade now. Again...this program can not run itself...we've always had a talent laden state and that never was enough to bring us to where we are now. Like it or not, the guy has been VERY good while at LSU. So good, in fact, he's been at the helm of the only program in college football to win 8+ games for 15 straight seasons...last 10 of which are his.
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You can call him the greatest coach in the world.
He's not, and I've never suggested anything like that. In fact, I don't recall anyone on here ever suggesting that. I think he's very good, and I base that on his success he's had winning football games here at LSU.
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I don't give a shite.
Ok.
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He's not a great coach and we both know that.
No...we don't. His record at LSU speaks for itself. A bad coach could not have pulled this off. Luck only goes so far. Your opinion here would hold more water if the guy hadn't resided over the longest stretch of success in our program's history, but he has...so you're just plain wrong.
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He's won more games in his time than any other
Yes...he's won lots of games. that's what we're clamoring for, right? Wins? Lots of them? the most we've ever had? We have had that, and still no one was happy.
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He's had the highest paid staff for quite some time
Ok.
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He's also had many of the best recruiters over his tenure.
Frank Wilson has been invaluable, yes.
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He's not bigger than LSU and if he wants to leave he will.
No one is suggesting he is or that he won't leave if he wants to. This is one of the biggest straw men floating around...as if there is some contingent of fans that like Miles more than LSU. That's ludicrous. I guess it may feel that way to some of you because many of you hate the man so much that you can only assume that anyone that likes him must have some ulterior motive, but it's just the case.
I like Miles...I love LSU football. Miles, like his predecessor, is a football mercenary. While LSU may have grown on him, he's not a Tiger at heart...and that's ok. Saban wasn't either. Coaches come and go.
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LSU will move on.
Eventually yes, we will.
I think there are two key parts of this argument many of you fail to grasp. They are 1) Miles has been far better at his job than you care to admit. And 2) Those of us that point that out and also point to the fact that while it's certainly possible to replace him with someone that comes in an does EVEN better than the best we've ever had, LSU would be probably the first major college to hire three straight home run hires if that happened. That doesn't suggest Miles CAN'T be replaced or that he's some genius. Rather it points out that programs, even great ones, tend to stumble occasionally with hires. As much as we like to pretend we're immune, we're not.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:58 pm to SL Tiger
Not sure if Hudspeth would be a better coach, but I agree with much of the post.
It does seem like the short term recruiting, meaning in this case, 2015, might suffer, as that has happened when head coaches leave elsewhere--e.g., Mack Brown, regardless of what most thought of his final years there.
But LSU can make up for it and I believe if Miles does decide to leave, the 2016 group will still be a great class.
It does seem like the short term recruiting, meaning in this case, 2015, might suffer, as that has happened when head coaches leave elsewhere--e.g., Mack Brown, regardless of what most thought of his final years there.
But LSU can make up for it and I believe if Miles does decide to leave, the 2016 group will still be a great class.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 12:00 am to SabiDojo
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And your suggestion is Hudspeth
Take the ULL hate out of the equation and tell me why not. I've watched a few of their games and I like his style. His players play hard for him. He took a loser program and has turned it around.
Tell me why he is a bad coach.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 12:04 am to SL Tiger
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Take the ULL hate out of the equation
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Tell me why he is a bad coach.
No one is saying he's a bad coach. We're saying you're an idiot for thinking Hudspeth is a better coach than Les on account of his big New Orleans Bowl titles he's won at ULL. They haven't even won the Sun Belt outright under him. HIRE THIS MAN! They went 9-4 last year.
Note: they've actually gone 9-4 three straight years... SERIOUSLY HIRE THIS MAN
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 12:06 am
Posted on 12/12/14 at 12:06 am to SL Tiger
He might be, but it's not like it would be easy to fill Les' shoes. We've set a high standard for this program, maybe too high. A new coach after Les will probably have a rough few years. Will the fans be willing to stay patient while other teams have success? Because that's what a new coach will need.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 12:06 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Frank Wilson has been invaluable, yes.
Do some research. Frank isn't our only assistant to win a National Recruiter of the Year title. We've had several really great recruiters.
Please answer this question. Do you believe that Miles ever wins a NC had he come to LSU in 2000? If you do, I suspect that you would be in the small minority who believes that.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 12:09 am to SL Tiger
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What you misunderstand is that history will one day prove that Coach Saban is among the greatest ever
No, I don't misunderstand that at all. I think Saban is a great coach. I'm not going to drool all over the guy but I will give him credit, he is a great coach. Something you seem to be incapable of doing with Miles, since you have dodged my question once already.
So getting back to what I just asked, did I misunderstand you or not? You said the trend continued with Miles. So what he's done for the last 10 years is just that, a trend? Like it was just luck?
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if you want to call Les a coaching genius, go right ahead
I never called him a genius either. I think he's a good coach but he's got flaws, just like any other coach. That includes your all powerful Saban. Saban losing to UAB, ULM, Saban whining for that last second to be put back on the clock in last season's Iron Bowl, Saban putting out sumo wrestlers on the kick return in the same game. Crap, Saban himself said he's never seen a game end that way and the one time he does see it happen, he's to blame for it.
Miles does have his flaws too, clock management and QB development being the two bigs ones, I will grant you that.
On the corollary, he's also the only, write it down, only college to coach to beat Saban more than once. Google it if you think I'm wrong.
It's interesting that you can't give the man the credit he deserves. Put your personal feelings aside for once and look at what he's done since he's been here.
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 12:13 am
Posted on 12/12/14 at 12:09 am to SL Tiger
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What you misunderstand is that history will one day prove that Coach Saban is among the greatest ever. He may finish as THE best ever. To underestimate the advantage that Les had by following Saban is either stupid or ignorant. I argue the opposite point only when talking to a fricking gump. I was at LSU from 85-90 when many of the best La athletes didn't even look at LSU. Saban changed that.
What would you say if Saban quit tomorrow but the next coach wins 10 games/yr behind him? Who built the Bama dynasty? The same guy that built this one. You forget to mention that Saban won the first NC...which I'd say was a much tougher task than the first.
Would Les have a NC if he started at LSU in 2000?
Would Saban have lost 21-0 to ANYONE with the talent that we had in 2011? If you give Les (alone) credit for all of those wins then you should put that loss squarely on Les. And it was a very important one. No coincidence who he lost to. We've gotten used to that.
Les wouldn't have coached at LSU for 10 years had he started from scratch. Les is successful mostly because he hires good coordinators and is a likable guy. That translates into coordinators that probably stick around longer. LSU also spends more on our assistants than any other school in the country.
Another fact is that we've put more players in the NFL than any other school. That tells me that Les has had an advantage in talent. Look at what our rookies are doing right now. Are you ignorant to the fact that they are basically calling Miles out by questioning why we lost that many games last year.
By all means, if you want to call Les a coaching genius, go right ahead. All the more reason that he should have the confidence to leave what he has at LSU to build a dynasty at Michigan. Your stupid if you think that Les will ever win another national title outside of LSU. My concern is that he may not have what it takes to win another one for LSU. He's too stubborn and his excuses are bullshite. How does Ohio St prepare 3 QB's but Les can't prepare ONE.
I've said this a bunch before but I'll say it again here because this post is a fine example of it. there is SO MUCH both wrong and simply filled with baseless assumptions in this post that it can;t be taken seriously on whole.
And then, like someone took over your brain for a second, you type that last sentence which actually is a solid question!
But it has to be ignored because of all the other putrid crap you posted it before it...with the assumption that you accidentally made a point simply by tossing out as many complaints as you could and one accidentally stuck.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 12:13 am to SL Tiger
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Do you believe that Miles ever wins a NC had he come to LSU in 2000?
I have no idea, and neither do you.
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If you do, I suspect that you would be in the small minority who believes that.
Of that I have no doubt...at least within our own spoiled and idiotic fan base.
Could Miles have done what Saban did when he did it? I honestly don't know.
Do you know?
Posted on 12/12/14 at 12:14 am to SabiDojo
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He might be, but it's not like it would be easy to fill Les' shoes
I know it would hurt us in the short term. I'm mixed on whether I want him to stay or not. Ultimately, it doesn't matter cause he will do what he wants. I just hate that so many people are talking like we are done if he leaves.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 12:20 am to SL Tiger
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I just hate that so many people are talking like we are done if he leaves.
No one is saying that.
No one.
No.
One.
The only thing even remotely close to that are people TRYING to explain to others than simply wishing and hoping for a "better" coach to be hired is just that...wishing and hoping. LSU has hired two home run hires in a row.
Now we're automatically going to hire a third? But not just "as good" because as we see here "as good" as Miles is mediocre...complacent. He'd have to be better than Miles, which based on the numbers would mean the next hire would have to be better than the best run we've ever had.
Could that happen? Yes. Is history on our side in that regard? It sure isn't.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 12:21 am to GeauxTigerTM
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The only thing even remotely close to that are people TRYING to explain to others than simply wishing and hoping for a "better" coach to be hired is just that...wishing and hoping. LSU has hired two home run hires in a row.
Now we're automatically going to hire a third? But not just "as good" because as we see here "as good" as Miles is mediocre...complacent. He'd have to be better than Miles, which based on the numbers would mean the next hire would have to be better than the best run we've ever had.
Could that happen? Yes. Is history on our side in that regard? It sure isn't.
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