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What went wrong with our coaching search

Posted on 12/1/16 at 9:33 am
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 12/1/16 at 9:33 am
and a parallel question is "how difficult is it to get an established successful HC to coach in the SEC West"

before you attempt to squelch my first amendment rights I hope you read this and think about it

it is very difficult to get a successful head coach to change jobs. most successful guys are already making millions; fairly close to the the 5 million or so we would pay. if said coach is happy and likes where he is and makes close money (esp. if he can use us as leverage to get more by staying) a smart guy isn't going to accept the risk of coming to LSU right now and having to compete in the brutal SEC west, esp against Saban. LSU has high expectations of success.

I think we didn't just lose Fisher and Herman, but Fedora as well. Fedora and his family are very happy in Chappel Hill and I can see why. he turned down Tennessee not long ago. in today's Dandy Don interview with mike Detillier he iterated that coaches from "other regions" did not show great interest in the job.

for some that view this LSU HC job in a vacuum, their are some very good jobs at other schools. my point is that LSU was going to have to hire a guy not yet proven at the top level (a present coordinator or small school HC) until coach O came in and, facing the most brutal 7 game schedule in the country, had success. and he won over a lot of fans and big boosters in the process. one can view this either as a good thing or a bad thing (and that is certainly being done).

HC coaching searches really are about timing and luck; not just at LSU. our timing was just not conducive to hiring a big name guy. hell, we offered Fisher to be the top paid coach in the country and it didn't work.

sure, coaches are extremely competitive people and want to play the best, but not at the expense of their careers. I just hope coach O works out; his story would be a great one and he's a guy that people pull for (underdog, etc). if not, we'll be out there looking again.
Posted by SkintBack
SoLo
Member since Nov 2015
1667 posts
Posted on 12/1/16 at 9:35 am to
Les "Mack Browned" us.
Posted by Cap Crunch
Fire Alleva
Member since Dec 2010
54189 posts
Posted on 12/1/16 at 9:36 am to
quote:

What went wrong with our coaching search

Joe Alleva
Posted by tconle2
Member since Sep 2011
4104 posts
Posted on 12/1/16 at 9:37 am to
We did not offer Jimbo to be the highest paid. Harbaugh makes 9 million.
Posted by BlackAdam
Member since Jan 2016
6455 posts
Posted on 12/1/16 at 9:38 am to
Would you want to work for Joe Alleva? Neither would anyone.
Posted by c on z
Zamunda
Member since Mar 2009
127415 posts
Posted on 12/1/16 at 9:39 am to
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in today's Dandy Don interview with mike Detillier he iterated that coaches from "other regions" did not show great interest in the job

Lulz
Posted by TDcline
American Gardens building 11th flor
Member since Aug 2015
9281 posts
Posted on 12/1/16 at 9:40 am to
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What went wrong with our coaching search


I think the better question is what went right?
Posted by BraveTiger225
Atlanta, GA
Member since May 2008
17662 posts
Posted on 12/1/16 at 9:42 am to
What coaching search?
Posted by Tiny Rick
In a vat in the garage
Member since Jan 2016
1517 posts
Posted on 12/1/16 at 9:44 am to
I'm pretty sure he's referencing the extensive search done by Alleva and the head hunting firm which apparently required Google Maps, 1 Uber and a $7.34 ride.
Posted by TigerRagAndrew
Check my style out
Member since Aug 2004
7217 posts
Posted on 12/1/16 at 9:48 am to
What have we learned from this?

Our program is not a top 5 program.

Coaches see how we treat other coaches and support the team. They see the empty stadium after halftime.

Nobody is going to come coach at this school with this level of support right now. This program needs a few Curley Hallman years to weed out the sidewalk fans
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 12/1/16 at 9:51 am to
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We did not offer Jimbo to be the highest paid. Harbaugh makes 9 million.


I forgot about him; you are most correct.
Posted by rjokerlsu
Big Spring, TX
Member since Apr 2007
6890 posts
Posted on 12/1/16 at 9:56 am to
Yes, Joe Alleva, who has had practice at coaching searches, still doesn't do them very well.

Just like last year with Fisher, this year it was a bit more than a token effort for Fisher and Tom Herman, but no other coaches seriously considered.

I am happy for Coach O, and hope he does well, but would like to see Alleva really conduct a thorough search and not just limit the # of candidates pursued.
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 12/1/16 at 9:56 am to
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What have we learned from this? Our program is not a top 5 program


we have not been a top 5 program since 2012. miles got no raises since then and we barely scratched the top 25.

LSU is still a great final destination for a top coach. ever bit as good as Texas, Florida, etc. I don't get hung up on terms like "top 5" because I don't think there is such a thing and if there was it is constantly changing. Michigan has regained top status while Notre Dame and USC have lost it.

every top coach has his own situation regarding staying or leaving.
Posted by Kino74
Denham springs
Member since Nov 2013
5344 posts
Posted on 12/1/16 at 9:56 am to
I'll what what went wrong. Putting all your eggs in one basket for one or two coaches is not going to work especially when one of them is firmly established in a storied program and is doing well. The other is an up and coming HC that other schools were eyeing. We should have have looked not just at 2 but across the country for an HC with the right fit.
Posted by pellietigersaint
Tiger Stadium
Member since Aug 2005
19043 posts
Posted on 12/1/16 at 9:57 am to
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What went wrong with our coaching search


TLDR

Herman played LSU for UT
Jimbo didnt want the job
No other candidates worth a flip
Hire O
period
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 12/1/16 at 9:59 am to
quote:

I'll what what went wrong. Putting all your eggs in one basket for one or two coaches is not going to work especially when one of them is firmly established in a storied program and is doing well. The other is an up and coming HC that other schools were eyeing. We should have have looked not just at 2 but across the country for an HC with the right fit.


i'll just say that many people dispute this view of things. LSU most certainly contacted more than 2 agents. your "impression" that we did not is incorrect. if it fits your narrative i'm sure you will continue to espouse it tho.
Posted by NoGeaux
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
5536 posts
Posted on 12/1/16 at 10:00 am to
You "assume" there was a search beyond Jimbo, Herman and O.

There is zero evidence to support such a claim.
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
10930 posts
Posted on 12/1/16 at 10:01 am to
I have no problem with Coach O, but clearly of the 3 he was the third option.

IMO it falls like this as far as raking the coaches.

1 Jimbo
2 Herman
3 O

How much of a difference there is between 1 and 3 remains to be seen and we may never have a full gauge because only 1 guy can coach LSU.

Who knows how or why Jimbo and Herman didn't end up with the job but I thing it suffice to say that if O was your guy all along the hiring would have happened before now.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
25455 posts
Posted on 12/1/16 at 10:02 am to
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until coach O came in and, facing the most brutal 7 game schedule in the country, had success


I get your overall point and dont necessarily disagree, but this is not accurate.

Wins include:
Arkansas who lost to Mizzou
Texas A&M
Southern Miss
5-7 Ole Miss
Mizzou

He lost to the only two teams that were any good (even though Florida is trash) Les Miles style
Posted by Skillet
Member since Aug 2006
107726 posts
Posted on 12/1/16 at 10:02 am to
Saban, Urban & Harbaugh....Can't wait to see if Tom Herman joins that elite group.

Dabo, Stoops, Jimbo, possibly Peterson and maybe a couple of others form the next group.

Where are all the great proven head coaches? There's only about 10, and most are untouchable.

O's deal is setup so that he can easily be replaced if he doesn't work out. LSU is in great shape.
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