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re: What SEC team's unit would you take over LSU?
Posted on 8/20/15 at 1:52 pm to SoFresh
Posted on 8/20/15 at 1:52 pm to SoFresh
Well, there is a difference between being the top unit and not be willing to trade. For example, I think A&M has the best WR in the conference, which isn't that controversial of an opinion. That said, if offered to straight up trade units with them, I doubt I would. The gap in quality isn't big enough to justify the trade, particularly with LSU's upside.
But I would take Arkansas' offensive line so fast it would make your head spin.
But I would take Arkansas' offensive line so fast it would make your head spin.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 1:56 pm to Baloo
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But I would take Arkansas' offensive line so fast it would make your head spin.
Good point. Do you think they have anyone as good as Ethan Pocic? I think Josh Boutte will surprise a lot of people this year too. If Will Clapp can really handle the center position, I really like our line.
I can see the Arkansas switch though. That's Bielema's "thing" after all. And he's in his third year there now, so his influence will be all over that unit.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 1:57 pm to Baloo
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For example, I think A&M has the best WR in the conference, which isn't that controversial of an opinion. That said, if offered to straight up trade units with them, I doubt I would. The gap in quality isn't big enough to justify the trade, particularly with LSU's upside.
Yes, and what really put me over the top in keeping the LSU receiving corps is the fact that I was including TEs in the group.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 2:00 pm to Tigerpaul1969
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but I think Lane Kiffin is extremely overrated as an offensive coach
look, I think Lane Kiffin is a douche bag, but how can you not acknowledge that he had a great year last year? In his first year, he took a QB who hadn't taken a meaningful snap (and of course was learning a brand new system), and they made it to the playoffs.
Now of course Kiffin had a lot of talent to work with (Amari Cooper being the primary weapon) but jeez, the guy turned Blake Sims into a very productive QB in one year under a brand new system.
Lose the blinders and acknowledge the job Kiffin did last year. If he can produce another good offense this year with ANOTHER new QB and without Cooper, then you're just going to have to admit that Kiffin's pretty darn good.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 2:28 pm to Tigerpaul1969
What concerns me about our offensive line is that outside of the three returning starters, we return virtually no experience. Our depth is thin. Also, I hate breaking in a new center, no matter how good he's supposed to be. I'm not saying our line stinks, but it is clearly behind Arkansas. I'd make that swap.
Outside of Dak, there isn't a QB in the conference I really trust except for Brandon Allen. I don't think he's a great QB or anything, but he might be the platonic ideal of an LSU QB. He is the classic game manager. I'd take him (I love the Hogs offense this year, but their D leaves a lot to be desired).
Outside of Dak, there isn't a QB in the conference I really trust except for Brandon Allen. I don't think he's a great QB or anything, but he might be the platonic ideal of an LSU QB. He is the classic game manager. I'd take him (I love the Hogs offense this year, but their D leaves a lot to be desired).
Posted on 8/20/15 at 2:31 pm to Tigerpaul1969
Hawkins is a RS JR, but will probably leave after this year. I wouldn't get caught up in the "stars" until you see it on the field. Yes LSU has more talent than most and I'm optimistic about this year, but a lot of teams have potential. I'm happy about our guys because they are LSU players. If all position groups end up in the top half of the SEC, LSU will have a good year. If they get 3 or 4 in the top 3-4, it will be a very good year.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 2:49 pm to TeLeFaWx
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but it's no one rated as highly as Christian Kirk
Tyron Johnson and Kirk are both composite 4*s each with a rating of 97.
Ranking one higher than the other is splitting hairs.
This post was edited on 8/20/15 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 8/20/15 at 3:04 pm to RB10
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What SEC team's unit would you take over LSU?
Maybe the Gators women's softball team?
Posted on 8/20/15 at 3:14 pm to Tigerpaul1969
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I also said I could see the argument as to why someone might argue the switch with A&M. I just like our guys enough that I would keep them.
Don't you think that's just fan bias, then? Everyone thinks their players are better than the media/outsiders think, but... Quinn didn't even catch a TD pass last year and Dural only had 2 TDs in conference play. You say RSJ hasn't lived up to the hype, but he had more yards last season than any LSU receiver save Dural. It's not like I can't say the LSU receivers won't improve, but I'm looking at a lot less production out of y'all's receivers than I am A&M's receivers, and our receivers were just as young. Especially considering that Speedy/RSJ played QB in high school and are just now really learning the position, it's hard for me to look at your post without thinking that their is a blinding amount of purple tint to the glasses you're wearing.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 3:17 pm to RB10
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Tyron Johnson and Kirk are both composite 4*s each with a rating of 97.
Ranking one higher than the other is splitting hairs.
True.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 3:20 pm to TeLeFaWx
James Wright didn't have a single catch his senior year and still got drafted. WRU
Posted on 8/20/15 at 3:22 pm to TeLeFaWx
Dude when you have no running game your receivers get the ball a lot more, and vice versa.
Your receivers are more touted because they got the ball thrown to them 30-40 more times. Noil had 30 something more targets than Dupre, both had 5 TDs.
Your kidding yourself if you beleive there's a big talent discrepensy
Your receivers are more touted because they got the ball thrown to them 30-40 more times. Noil had 30 something more targets than Dupre, both had 5 TDs.
Your kidding yourself if you beleive there's a big talent discrepensy
Posted on 8/20/15 at 3:23 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Don't you think that's just fan bias, then? Everyone thinks their players are better than the media/outsiders think, but... Quinn didn't even catch a TD pass last year and Dural only had 2 TDs in conference play. You say RSJ hasn't lived up to the hype, but he had more yards last season than any LSU receiver save Dural. It's not like I can't say the LSU receivers won't improve, but I'm looking at a lot less production out of y'all's receivers than I am A&M's receivers, and our receivers were just as young. Especially considering that Speedy/RSJ played QB in high school and are just now really learning the position, it's hard for me to look at your post without thinking that their is a blinding amount of purple tint to the glasses you're wearing.
I can totally understand why another SEC fan would be skeptical of LSU's true WR talent.
Frankly we just know how talented these guys are, but LSU's system and qb struggles have plagued actual production. Most people will just defend the fact that it isn't an indication of how good LSU's group is.
For example, your typical SEC fan had no idea who Kadron Boone and James Wright were, only Beckham and Landry. However those two are playing in the NFL rosters, with James Wright starting for thr Bengals.
A&M has an exceptionally talented WR corp, no doubt. Sumlin signed like 100 of them, so something has to give there. Rustle just arises when people use the logic of "Texas Tech must have more talented receivers than LSU, because their players are raking in yards." instead of acknowledging just how talented the group is, It was an extremely young group too.
To answer the OP's question, give me Bama's front 7 all day. Baloo is right about the hog line, but I like LSU's chances of the line gelling with all the talent
Posted on 8/20/15 at 3:44 pm to tigerbait2010
In fairness to the OP, with the contrasting styles of offense, I'd be shocked if LSU didn't out rush TAM and if TAM didn't out pass LSU. I'm sure we didn't pass for more yards than TAM in 2013. Having said that it doesn't mean LSUs WRs are not better or for that matter than LSUs RBs are better, but I believe that last statement is self evident.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 3:52 pm to Dlab2013
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Your receivers are more touted because they got the ball thrown to them 30-40 more times. Noil had 30 something more targets than Dupre, both had 5 TDs.
Your kidding yourself if you beleive there's a big talent discrepensy
I think of two young freshman receivers on each team, RSJ/Speedy and Quinn/Dupre, from last season, Quinn performed the worst of the four by far. So from a talent stand point, Quinn is a noticeable notch below the other three. Each team's most productive receivers Reynolds and Dural, were sophomores. Dural had 2 TDs in conference play, and Reynolds had 8. We both have true freshman stud coming in, with Kirk being ranked slightly higher. After that, due to the nature of A&M's offense, we have a lot of depth, even if it's just the nature of having more roster spots dedicated to the position, LSU simply doesn't have. Ed Pope had over 450 yards last year, Damion Ratley is getting buzz, Neiderhofer has been really consistent, Iheanacho is a physical mismatch, and Kemah Siverand was a really highly rated guy that even LSU wanted.
I don't believe there is a big talent discrepancy, I've never said that. I just think that A&M has a slight to medium edge across the WR position. I think LSU probably has a top 25 WR corps in the country. I also think A&M has a top 5 WR corps in the country. That's not a slight to LSU and what they have going on, it's just that I think there is a definite difference.
This post was edited on 8/20/15 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 8/20/15 at 4:18 pm to GeauxToBed
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I think Dak's one of the most overrated players in the conference. He'll struggle this year with no O-line and no Josh Robinson.
he certainly wasn't very good before this past season. and yes, I agree he's overrated, esp as a passer.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 4:36 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Don't you think that's just fan bias, then? Everyone thinks their players are better than the media/outsiders think, but... Quinn didn't even catch a TD pass last year and Dural only had 2 TDs in conference play. You say RSJ hasn't lived up to the hype, but he had more yards last season than any LSU receiver save Dural. It's not like I can't say the LSU receivers won't improve, but I'm looking at a lot less production out of y'all's receivers than I am A&M's receivers, and our receivers were just as young. Especially considering that Speedy/RSJ played QB in high school and are just now really learning the position, it's hard for me to look at your post without thinking that their is a blinding amount of purple tint to the glasses you're wearing.
Switch aTm's receivers last year with LSU' receivers and I guarantee you the LSU receivers would have much better numbers as well. Numbers do no mean better. Dupree will be as good or better than any receiver the Aggies have. Diarse, Dural, Quinn, Johnson won't take backseats to any Aggie receiver. The issue is the QB and the system. It is my belief that Brandon Harris will rectify that discrepancy, and you'll see LSU's receivers don't take seconds to any. Keep an eye on them this year and be amazed!
Posted on 8/20/15 at 4:38 pm to GeauxToBed
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By mid season, Harris will be better than Dak.
WOW..............
Posted on 8/20/15 at 4:40 pm to GeauxToBed
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Simple, I think he's more talented based on what I have seen of both
You must be blind. Harris hasn't done ANYTHING yet.......
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I think Dak's one of the most overrated players in the conference.
You must have been in a cave all of last year........
Posted on 8/20/15 at 5:28 pm to Tigerpaul1969
Had you said what uints are better than LSU in the SEC it would have been fine. But I am not taking anybody over our current guys. they may not be the best right now at every single group or position, but not going to trade them for anybody.
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