re: What is the true "rank" of LSU's offense?

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you do realize we were better in the red zone with JL, and NOT JJ. Don't worry milsenista, keep on pumping that sunshine!

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Yes I did actually, you do realize that once JJ came back we also had a few MORE options because of JJ's running ability don't you? Don't worry humanoid, one day you too may be let out to see the sunshine...its pretty damn glorious!

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you do realize we were better in the red zone with JL, and NOT JJ. Don't worry milsenista, keep on pumping that sunshine!




Yes I did actually, you do realize that once JJ came back we also had a few MORE options because of JJ's running ability don't you? Don't worry humanoid, one day you too may be let out to see the sunshine...its pretty damn glorious!

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You agreeing with the poster makes your entire point invalid. If he had more options why were scoring less?

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You agreeing with the poster makes your entire point invalid. If he had more options why were scoring less?

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between bama games LSU had the highest scoring stretch and 2 of the highest total yardage games of the season...

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Something along the lines that JJ's running ability gave us more options in the red zone?

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yet our efficiency went down. Your belief in JJ's running ability providing more options is disproved with reality.

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1. Our RZ numbers were better last year.

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when JL was QB.

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The times JJ was in the game the OC had more options available to him. And conversely the opposition had more to worry about.

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Yet we did worse with him in the game...hmmmm.

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So you proceed to grab ONE sentence out of context, run off and do some internet research

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No. I just dont like you clowns rewriting the history of what happened to fit your Miles delusion. Just accept and deal in reality.

We all love the tigers.

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No. I just dont like you clowns rewriting the history of what happened to fit your Miles delusion. Just accept and deal in reality. We all love the tigers.

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The only person trying to spin things here is you. NOWHERE in my post did I say we performed better with JJ in the game. Show me where I said that.

JJ DID give us more play calling options because he could run and JL could NOT run. Is there some way you can POSSIBLY dispute that?

Did those extra OPTIONS give us better results? You say no, though you have yet to post the exact stats or where you got them from. But either way, my post was NOT about who performed better between JJ and JL, my post was about being critical of our staff's performance in RZ play calling from last year to this. CAN YOU NOT EVEN COMPREHEND WHAT YOU READ?!

I am interested in a dialogue that can suggests the reasons why our play calling seemed less cohesive this year than last. One seemingly REASONABLE place to start that dialogue is speculation relating to differences in personell from last year to this. I'm tired of holding your hand princess, you are just going to have to start figuring out some things for yourself.

And just what is my "Miles delusion" pray tell? It is an incontrovertible fact that he has won 80% of his games. It is also a FACT that he has won more SEC games than anyone else since he has been at LSU. In the last 3 years, with Saban at the HEIGHT of his powers and his vision of Bama fully realized it is MILES that has won the most SEC games of any SEC coach! And that is INCLUDING that we have to play both Bama and FL every year! These aren't just some crutches we "delusional" frickers lean on...these are BOTTOM line EMPIRICAL factual accomplishments that you and others like are constantly trying to diminish and marginalize because you can't get over the fact that LSU lost to Alabama on 1-9-12.

Just face reality you negative self absorbed frick. Miles is a great coach, he is going to be here for many more years and he is going to win lots more games and lots more championships....and you are too dumb to even be able to figure out how he does it!

So just keep on crying and whining and bow down to us sunshine pumpers as we all go happily about our day!

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The numbers show otherwise.

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The NUMBERS do, but what do your eyes and common sense tell you?

First, I agree, LSU has not been good offensively since 2007. We are not as efficient as we would like to be and if we were we would have maybe won another few games.

BUT...the whole poin of this thread is, when reading through the list of teams ranked ahead of LSU in total offense. I was struck by the number of teams ranked ahead of us that my eyes and common sense tells me don't have better offense than we have.

Tell me honestly if you think these teams have a better offense than LSU does....Army, Navy, Air Force, Indiana, Virginia, Central Michigan, Rice, UAB, Akron, Western Michigan, Troy, Ark. State, Ball State, Tulsa, San Jose state, ULL...and the list goes on at least another 20 teams.

Now people will say, well ULL got more yards against Fla. than we did. Well yeah, but do you really think Fla. was motivated for ULL? If Fla really had taken ULL serious and played them like they play LSU, ULL wouldn't have gotten 10 first downs. When these little podunk teams play the big boys sometimes they put up nice little stat lines, but the big boys are just going through the motions most times and can just swat em like flies when they really turn it on.

That was my only point when I started this thread. Dis our offense all you want, but using the "ranked 87th" number is a little disingenuous and inaccurate.

The only stats I think even have a chance at telling a true picture is comparing LSU to other conference teams using ONLY CONFERENCE games. That way you have a much clearer picture due to less variance in competition levels. Here are our rankings since 2007:

2007 3
2008 5
2009 11
2010 7
2011 5
2012 9

avg. 6.6

Still not great numbers, but a much more accurate picture in my opinion.

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which if true would have resulted in better performances.

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Why? Giving someone more options doesn't mean they are going to USE those options correctly. And just because those options don't pan out doesn't mean THEY DONT EXIST!

JJ could run, JL couldn't, therefore the play callers had more options on their play sheet. Is that truly something you want to argue about?

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HIS TEAMS WIN IN SPITE OF HIS stupidity. He offers us nothing in gameday advantage and costs our team points EVERY SINGLE GAME.

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Every single game eh? Nah, you're not prone to being hysterical or overstating facts now are you?

And he offers us NOTHING in gameday advantages and his teams win SPITE of him. Well hmmm...how the heck is that happening? A guy brings nothing to the table and wins games at a higher rate than everyone else? I don't know Daddy, sounds like a pretty far fetched claim to me.

Maybe you don't have enough football acumen to recognize what he brings to the table. Has that thought ever occurred to you...that maybe somehow you could be wrong? Or have you just been right about everything else in your lifetime?

I know what he does to influence the outcomes of the games. I GET what makes him and his methods a WINNER! You will never learn it because you aren't even looking for it. You just think its all luck and magic.

Of course you COULD be right, could be magic. I think its pretty magical that a guy like you can type on a computer with shite FOR BRAINS!

Could it be that they brought the same number of options in the redzone? JL could pass and JJ could run?

Anyway, the offense has been unimaginative at best and yes, the players have not executed as well as a Championship team has to execute. There is no realistic way to spin it otherwise and the HC is ultimately responsible.

Given the fact that LSU employs a "run-first" philosophy, why not utilize our RBs more in the passing game? Why have we not had a pass catching TE to speak of? Speaking of RZ challenges, how many receiving TDs did our RBs or TEs have? I haven't looked it up, but would believe very few.

I hope the veiled comments reflect an intention to truly address this from a philosophical perspective as well as execution.

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The numbers show otherwise. If you want to argue facts, go right ahead. Quit trying to pump sunshine into a bottomless pit. This fricking offense sucks arse, and no matter what you have to tell yourself, it doesn't change the numbers.

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Should nominate this for quote of the year!!!!! Exactly how I feel.