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re: we are not as talented as you think!
Posted on 11/26/09 at 9:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 11/26/09 at 9:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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and 3/4 of the returnin OL were either starters or got a ton of PT on our NATIONAL TITLE team
Please explain this?
Stewart started at RT. Barksdale played mostly on special teams and a very little in mop up duty.
Helms was a mainstay at C. Hebert Redshirted.
Herm played LG. Dworaczyk redshirted.
Hitt and Ciron played.
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Posted on 11/26/09 at 9:25 pm to moneyg
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Stewart started at RT. Barksdale played mostly on special teams and a very little in mop up duty.
pretty sure barksdale got a start at some point, and he got a ton of PT
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Hitt and Ciron played.
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Posted on 11/26/09 at 9:25 pm to dreaux
You are so correct.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 9:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
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a guy who has never played OC would get moved there? yeah, ok
If there was a quality player at his position and coaches felt he could be better than what we have at C he ABSOLUTELY would have been moved.
Again, the impetus for this change would be the quality depth competing for jobs which you want to dismiss as a non-issue.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 9:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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he started. he sucked then, and sucks now, but he is a starter. his position is set
Only because there is not a player who the coaches feel is better. Quality depth changes that.
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1 OC = set in stone
Again, it's only set in stone because there is no quality depth. That's the point.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 9:28 pm to moneyg
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If there was a quality player at his position and coaches felt he could be better than what we have at C he ABSOLUTELY would have been moved.
you don't just go from DT to OG to shotgun OC without a major transition. hell look at PJ (who was not a DT recruit)
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Again, the impetus for this change would be the quality depth competing for jobs
you don't compete for offensive jobs on a les miles-coached offense. it's rare on D, but it happens if you totally suck (I'M LOOKIN AT YOU MCCRAY)
and you don't just turn OGs into OCs, esp if the OC is going to shotgun the ball 65-75% of the time
Posted on 11/26/09 at 9:30 pm to moneyg
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Only because there is not a player who the coaches feel is better.
he was good enough in 2007, and miles would not bench him for this very fact
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Again, it's only set in stone because there is no quality depth.
that's a recruiting error, and miles and company put all their eggs in his basket. pretty sure he was promised the OC gig when helms left in recruiting
nobody who left this program was an OC. almost all of them were OTs
and none have been any good on their new teams anyway
Posted on 11/26/09 at 9:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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pretty sure barksdale got a start at some point, and he got a ton of PT
According to LSUSports.net Stewart played 955 snaps to Barksdale's 57 (18 against La Tech).
Posted on 11/26/09 at 9:33 pm to moneyg
yup the guy who split time at RT (as a true frosh) isn't going to start at RT the next year 
Posted on 11/26/09 at 9:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you don't compete for offensive jobs on a les miles-coached offense. it's rare on D, but it happens if you totally suck (I'M LOOKIN AT YOU MCCRAY)
and you don't just turn OGs into OCs, esp if the OC is going to shotgun the ball 65-75% of the time
BS. Moving from OG to C could be done during a spring. I'm not saying everyone could make the move. But, to think that is unreasonable is ridiculous.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 9:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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yup the guy who split time at RT (as a true frosh) isn't going to start at RT the next year
Who said that? I've consistently said that LG, C, and RG are very replacable.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 9:38 pm to moneyg
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Moving from OG to C could be done during a spring.
it CAN theoretically be done, but it's a tough transition, especially for a former DL
the OC has to make all the calls, and be trained in how to see the field and make the calls
and then there is the whole snapping thing. just look at PJ, who has struggled to learn how to shotgun snap the ball
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But, to think that is unreasonable is ridiculous.
it is pretty unreasonable to expect a guy to move from DT to OG to OC in 3 years
Posted on 11/26/09 at 9:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it is pretty unreasonable to expect a guy to move from DT to OG to OC in 3 years
Not a guy (it's not just about Hitt)...one of the many OL who are no longer here. All it would take is for one of those guys to step up and show better than any of the 3 guys we have in the middle now. And, based on our 3 guys, that's very possible.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 9:43 pm to moneyg
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I've consistently said that LG, C, and RG are very replacable.
RG = 2-year starter
on a les miles team, he'd have to die to lose his position
OC = 1 OC recruited in like 5 years. his backup is an OG recruit moved inside
LG is not up for debate, as i've said that it may have been different
Posted on 11/26/09 at 9:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
it's not as hard to move a lineman from guard to center or tackle to guard during as you want to make it out to be. It can be done and is done all the time. Sure you don't do it in the middle of the season, but that's the kind of thing that can be done during spring camp.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 9:46 pm to moneyg
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Not a guy (it's not just about Hitt)...one of the many OL who are no longer here.
listen
we recruited hebert to be our OC in 2009. that was the plan, and i'm pretty sure that's what we promised him
the plans would not change and there would be no competition b/c of this
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All it would take is for one of those guys to step up and show better than any of the 3 guys we have in the middle now.
and it would take our coaches saying, "well our plan sucked and we lied to t-bob, so let's experiment with these mediocre OTs who have never snapped the ball and try them at OC for the shite of it"
Posted on 11/26/09 at 9:46 pm to cepheid
plus i don't get your arguement. Are you saying that Black, Barksdale and Hitt are all so talented that no one could have beaten them out? They don't seem to be playing that way to me.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 9:48 pm to cepheid
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Are you saying that Black, Barksdale and Hitt are all so talented that no one could have beaten them out?
they were better than the mediocre OTs we lost in 2007, and starters on offense don't lose their starting spot
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They don't seem to be playing that way to me.
and you tell me which OT that we lost is doing well away from LSU
Posted on 11/26/09 at 9:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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RG = 2-year starter
Have you considered that this could be because of the very lack of quality depth that we are talking about.
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OC = 1 OC recruited in like 5 years. his backup is an OG recruit moved inside
Been discussed. With the way he has played, it is VERY REASONABLE that someone could have surpassed him...especially with him coming off an injury. As it is, he had a single guy to compete with and it was a dead heat up through fall practices.
But this pissing contest is pointless. I'll quote myself to make my final point...
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Now, it's possible that all of those 10 guys just weren't any good either which would support your position that the talent evaluation is poor at OL. Furthermore, I agree that the development has been poor as well, particularly in the pass protection area. Size can somewhat account for the poor run blocking. But, we are getting no gains in the passing game from what should be an agile OL.
The bottom line is, whatever the reason, our OL is well below average. This is what Miles should be criticized for mostly. It is by far the biggest problem with our offense. The playcalling issues that everyone points to is in large part a product of the poor offensive line.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 9:51 pm to moneyg
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Have you considered that this could be because of the very lack of quality depth that we are talking about.
he started over them as a Sophomore in 2007. what would have changed?
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I'll quote myself to make my final point...
your final point is fricking retarded and doesn't take into account recruiting, what the OT who left have done away from LSU, and les miles (and his loyalty) as a coach
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