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re: we are not as talented as you think!
Posted on 11/26/09 at 1:08 pm to dreaux
Posted on 11/26/09 at 1:08 pm to dreaux
Ummm.... for everyone bitching about the OL talent, please explain to me how you have:
A 4 year starter (Black) that was a 1st round pick pre-season.
A 3 year starter (Hitt) that was pretty good the previous two years.
A 2nd year starter (Barksdale) who is a near 5 star talent expected to be an OL.
You have two new guys that have struggled, but when the other guys came in to replace those, the OL does better and dominated at times.
OL is not bad. We've just done an utterly shitty job of putting the right players in the game and playing undersized and mispositioned young guys.
A 4 year starter (Black) that was a 1st round pick pre-season.
A 3 year starter (Hitt) that was pretty good the previous two years.
A 2nd year starter (Barksdale) who is a near 5 star talent expected to be an OL.
You have two new guys that have struggled, but when the other guys came in to replace those, the OL does better and dominated at times.
OL is not bad. We've just done an utterly shitty job of putting the right players in the game and playing undersized and mispositioned young guys.
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Posted on 11/26/09 at 1:14 pm to GEAUXfan
But they don't get much playing time.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 1:22 pm to dreaux
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No i am not defending miles, but a three loss season was expected with a new defensive staff and a qb.
Granted, we've had QB problems, but a coach who is paid $3.8M and an OC who makes $0.5M should be able to win with the other talent we have. What did Brain Kelly do after Tony Pike went down? Zach Calloros anyone? Does anyone know what Brain Kelly's current income is?
Posted on 11/26/09 at 6:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
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1 of 5 spots MAY have been affected by this: LG
the other 4 were set in stone
so you don't think that Zhamal Thomas, Jarvis Jones and Kyle Anderson would be starting over Hitt, Hebert and Dworzack?
Posted on 11/26/09 at 6:53 pm to LSUMafia
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A 4 year starter (Black) that was a 1st round pick pre-season.
A 3 year starter (Hitt) that was pretty good the previous two years.
A 2nd year starter (Barksdale) who is a near 5 star talent expected to be an OL.
i doubt that Black goes in the first round. Hitt may be fiesty but he is not that talented. Barksdale may have been a 5 star recruit but if recruiting services could see into the future he would have been a low to middling 4 star.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 7:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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yes returning 3 starters, 2 of whom are RS Seniors, and having a true junior and RS soph at center = VERY young
I know you are trying to be sarcastic their but really when it comes to offensive lineman if you can develop the depth their to do it you would like to redshirt all o-lineman and see juniors and seniors as your starters at all 5 spots. Plus all the depth we have, other than the 2 seniors and 1 junior you mentioned, are freshman or sophmores.
This post was edited on 11/26/09 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 11/26/09 at 8:09 pm to moneyg
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With the OL, upgrading a single position can often by chain of events upgrade 2 or 3. If there was quality, experienced depth, you would think that would be a possibility. I do not agree that LG, C, or RG are "set in stone" if there was a quality player available.
then you're retarded
black and hitt started in 2007
barksdale was the heir apparent at RT in 2007
t-bob is one of 2 centers on our roster
those four spots are SET IN STONE
Posted on 11/26/09 at 8:10 pm to VOR
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As I said elsewhere, most popular recruiting services end up being heavily weighted at the skill positions.
we have plenty of 4 and 5 star linemen
Posted on 11/26/09 at 8:11 pm to cepheid
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if you can develop the depth their to do it you would like to redshirt all o-lineman and see juniors and seniors as your starters at all 5 spots.
again
4/5 of our OL were set in stone. all were redshirted except barksdale, and 3/4 of the returnin OL were either starters or got a ton of PT on our NATIONAL TITLE team
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Plus all the depth we have, other than the 2 seniors and 1 junior you mentioned, are freshman or sophmores.
which means NEXT YEAR we feel it
Posted on 11/26/09 at 8:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
there may be plenty of talented backups on the o-line on the roster, i think that there are, but they are all freshman and sophmores. Black, Hitt, and Barksdale may be set in stone, but i dont think Hebert is 'set in stone', as it came down to him and Lanergan. Barksdale appears to be somewhat overrated by the recruiting services, but still a decent player, and Black is not exactly setting the world on fire this season. If they are 'set in stone' as starters, and they are, it's only because their are no other upperclassmen to push them.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 8:21 pm to cepheid
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but i dont think Hebert is 'set in stone', as it came down to him and Lanergan.
PJ is a converted C who has problems with the shotgun snap
we're a spread team, so the shotgun is important
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Barksdale appears to be somewhat overrated by the recruiting services
he almost overtook the RT spot in 2007 as a true freshman. i think he did start a game or 2 in 2007
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and Black is not exactly setting the world on fire this season
a 4-year starter is not losing his spot unless he dies
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If they are 'set in stone' as starters, and they are, it's only because their are no other upperclassmen to push them.
3 of the 4 have been essentially starters since the year we won the fricking national title
the 4th has no real competition at his position, and we haven't had attrition at OC. we just have only recruited 1 pure OC in the past handful of years
Posted on 11/26/09 at 8:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
i don't think you neccesarily need to recruit a pure offensive center to make a center in college, generally you should be able to convert a high school guard into a center.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 8:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
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3 of the 4 have been essentially starters since the year we won the fricking national title
thats true, but they are not exactly dominating. It's not like they couldn't be pushed for there starting spots if there were other upperclassmen on the team to push them. Jarvis Jones and Zhamal Thomas could easily push Hitt and Barksdale for there spots were they still here. There is not telling of the o-lineman that left the team for various reasons what they would have developed into.
This post was edited on 11/26/09 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 11/26/09 at 8:32 pm to cepheid
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i don't think you neccesarily need to recruit a pure offensive center to make a center in college,
none of the OL we lost were being developed at OC. none
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generally you should be able to convert a high school guard into a center.
almost every one of the guys we lost were OTs, not OGs
Posted on 11/26/09 at 8:33 pm to cepheid
black and hitt were starters
barksdale was a sometimes starter
barksdale was a sometimes starter
Posted on 11/26/09 at 8:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
Hitt could have played center. This season you could have had Ciron Black and Jarvis Jones starting at Tackles, with Zhamal Thomas and Gerald McCoy starting at guards. Matt Allen, Barksdale, Steven Singleton, Kyle Anderson, and Kentravious Aubrey as key backups. Then you would have T-Bob, Lonergan, and Dworzyack developing and waiting their turn with all the other freshman and sophmores. You dont't think that would have been a much larger stronger, possibly dominating, o-line that what we currently have? Sounds like a much better situation than what we currently have to me.
don't tell me that that Thomas couldn't play guard, Herman Johnson played guard for us last season adequately.
don't tell me that that Thomas couldn't play guard, Herman Johnson played guard for us last season adequately.
This post was edited on 11/26/09 at 8:51 pm
Posted on 11/26/09 at 9:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
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black and hitt started in 2007
Labeling Hitt as irreplacable is ridiculous.
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barksdale was the heir apparent at RT in 2007
I agree
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t-bob is one of 2 centers on our roster
Exactly. That supports my point, not yours.
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those four spots are SET IN STONE
I didn't agree with you until you used the CAPS LOCK. Now, I'm suddenly impressed.
It is my opinion that LG, C, and RG are all very replacable (certainly NOT SET IN STONE) and if we had quality, experienced depth behind them it is reasonably likely that one or more would not be starting, or perhaps even starting at a different position thus upgrading 2 positions.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 9:15 pm to cepheid
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Hitt could have played center.
a guy who has never played OC would get moved there? yeah, ok
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This season you could have had Ciron Black and Jarvis Jones starting at Tackles, with Zhamal Thomas and Gerald McCoy starting at guards.
black and barksdale. that was the combo set in stone since 2007
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You dont't think that would have been a much larger stronger, possibly dominating, o-line that what we currently have?
it doesn't matter
if you're a starter, you don't get overtaken on offense unless your name is keiland williams
Posted on 11/26/09 at 9:15 pm to cepheid
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Herman Johnson played guard for us last season adequately.
herm johnson WAS A GUARD
Posted on 11/26/09 at 9:16 pm to moneyg
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Labeling Hitt as irreplacable is ridiculous.
he started. he sucked then, and sucks now, but he is a starter. his position is set
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Exactly. That supports my point, not yours.
that's bad recruiting, not attrition. we lost no centers to attrition, mainly just OTs
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It is my opinion that LG, C, and RG are all very replacable (certainly NOT SET IN STONE)
1 OC = set in stone
2 year starter = set in stone
what fantasy world do you live in?
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